Treatment resistant individuals

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True. I don't disagree with that. That happens to me, too.

But people sometimes go so far as to get angry at other people who seek solutions for them.

Most of the time, I don't believe people giving advice have malicious intentions behind the giving of the advice. Or are they seeking to stroke their own egos in the process.

I will concede that I feel good whenever whatever advice I give actually helps the other person. It usually doesn't, immediately---but it might later on, upon reflection.

I've had many times when I thought certain advice was inapplicable to me at the moment---but it was applicable later on.

Any kind of change can be unwelcome after a series of bad outcomes. Also, fear is almost all fear of the unknown. The new lifestyle can't be imagined.
When I had been poor for many years, having been badly cheated twice in succession, and I received an inheritance, I had to talk to a financial counsellor just to be reassured that it would not vanish. I think I used it well, but I also got myself a whole new set of problems to work out.
I was once involved in a volunteer group that had provided a room for a guy who had spent his teens homeless. He called in in considerable distress, because he had eaten a snack, and didn't know what indoor people did with their garbage.
There are more than a few furnished rooms in institutions that look about as cosy as a petri dish to me.
I live two blocks from a small hospital, and I broke my thumb two years ago. They did almost nothing for the thumb, but I am still badly traumatized by keeping distant appointments they set without considering my sleep disorder. They even made major threats, to the point that I updated my will before proceeding.

I think Trog has well-articulated this experience for people on the spectrum. It is certainly familiar to me. It is sort of what I was trying to explain but not as well.

There are people, presumably not on the spectrum, who have barriers to feeling better that are unseen, at least to me. I recently heard of two people I knew some 40 years ago and how they got together in San Francisco for coffee and so they can commiserate about all the things their parents did that scr**ed them over when they were children. I wondered aloud how anyone could possibly still be whining about those grudges 40 years after the fact. "Someone who bases their identity on the past abuse," was an answer from a cousin. In light of that conversation, I think I can see how someone could based their identity on past abuse, past bullying, or bad luck or whatever and would resist having that changed. Ie, "who am I if not the poor, little...."

I had my share of abuse and bullying, etc, etc. But I am extremely blessed, lucky, fortunate, that I have moved on from that, was able to move on from that. Some people, apparently, can't.

Every time you or I endorse the concepts of Autism, Asperger's, or Neurological Difference, we are further marginalizing ourselves, and we are encouraging child abuse.

Right now as you are reading this, there are parents driving their child to the doctor, simply because they find the child to be an embarrassment. And these are children whom the parents did not need to have, they merely did so hoping that they would be able to give themselves an unstigmatized adult identity.

So I no longer talk about Autism-Asperger's, or Neurological Difference.

Rather I see Autism-Asperger's as a lived experience, most the experience of being abused and persecuted.

So I no longer talk about it, I only talk about Shamanic Experience.

The only purpose of treatment and therapy is just to convince people that they have this disorder, defect, deficiency, and to convince them to go along with it.

So I am glad that we have treatment resistant individuals, and what we need are more people who will openly and forcefully reject all threatment, thearapy, and labeling, and act to protect themselves and others and especially the children of today!

Richard

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Do you want more children to be driven to the doctor so that they can be assessed as having Autism, Asperger's, Neurological Difference?

Richard

Everyone has his/her own experiences.
Everyone has a choice in each moment to help or be helped.
Does everyone fall into a pit? I'm not sure. Some people seem to have it together on the outside.
Does everyone who falls into a pit or is pushed have to stay in it?
Well, unless that person has tools to get out, a loud voice to cry out for help (if anyone comes for that person), help, or the understanding to see a good person vs a bad person to push them back in or worse.

But is the Autism-Asperger's-Neurological Difference label actually help, or is just making a new problem which need not be. And then if we endorse the concept, what about what will continue to happen to children still in the care of their parents?

Richard

Richard, I routinely overlook your threads and posts because I find your viewpoint very unhelpful. You are entitled to your opinion, but could you please stay off this thread now that you have expressed your opinion? WrongPlanet is a site for people with autism or people who want to learn about autism. Start your own site if you want to promote an alternative view. Please.

I am not denying the reality of Autism, I just see it as a lived experience, similar to the way Frances Tustin seemed to have seen it, as an effect, not a cause.

I see it as a lived experience, mostly of having been bullied, abused, and persecuted.

And I strongly identify with the writings of the autism advocates such as John Elder Robison. Its just that I interpret the things he is describing differently than he does.

Bea, let me ask you, do you want to see more children assessed? And if so, what on earth for?

Richard

Richard, I think you are conflating together different concepts as if they were one jumbled theory. I think your intentions are good, though your theory is a patchwork of dogmatic strands that stem from your personal vision of how things are. But the AS community is extremely heterogenous, and applying any one size as if it fits all is a mistake many researchers and also outlier theorists make.