Binge drinking affects social cognition via gut microbiome

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16 Feb 2023, 4:55 am

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And in general, I think school is a lousy environment, whose main purpose seems to be to warehouse kids so that parents can work.



The reception class did not really teach much, it was, I think, mainly there to socialise the children. Also, it was very large, with over 40 kids and two teachers. There was lots of organised, and disorganised, play. They could not have designed a more autism-hostile environment if they had tried!


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16 Feb 2023, 5:05 am

I suppose Candida is relevant to this topic.


I looked at the side effects like:
it using your minerals for itself
Supposed to attach itself to major organs
Feeling hungover in the morning
Brain fog

I think mine is going away but it makes you feel Ill as it dies off.



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16 Feb 2023, 11:47 am

kombucha is a nice work around for some pre biotics , different flavours but all pretty much work the same .
Easy to make at home , definitely helps balancing gut bacteria . If you can choke down any alchoholic drink of most any kind , you can get this stuff down easily . :D


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16 Feb 2023, 12:03 pm

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Is this the same with other neurological disorders, like ADHD and intellectual developmental delays?


The diet/protocol Also improves my adhd/ocd/mild tourettes symptoms - I believe they are all related. I have no idea how it may affect intellectual developmental delays, if at all. Afaik intellectual impairments are a bit more "hard wired," than the result of imbalanced gut flora. One example I'm aware of was caused by lack of oxygen during a diabetic coma and seizure as an infant.


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16 Feb 2023, 12:16 pm

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Different autisms different causes.



Undoubtedly, there are some autistic people, a small minority, whose causal genetic variants have been positively identified. I have taken probiotics for many years, and although it has helped my various gut problems, it has had no discernible effect on my autistic traits. Touching nylon fabric still creates visceral revulsion in me, leaving me with a feeling like all my nerves are frayed, a feeling lasting for many minutes.


It's possible your autism isn't correlated. It's also possible the effect isn't great enough to overcome your gut microbiome's makeup -> I Know that if I had simply began taking some daily probiotics it wouldn't have hardly done anything at all. I had to go through a long process of killing off the bad stuff in my digestive tract first. Otherwise I'd have simply been sending probiotics to their quick death and they wouldn't have a chance to hang around in my gut and have much of any benefit to me.


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16 Feb 2023, 1:23 pm

Jakki wrote:
kombucha is a nice work around for some pre biotics , different flavours but all pretty much work the same .
Easy to make at home , definitely helps balancing gut bacteria . If you can choke down any alchoholic drink of most any kind , you can get this stuff down easily . :D

i'll give that a go if i see it in the supermarket luv



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16 Feb 2023, 2:34 pm

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Urselius wrote:
carlos55 wrote:
Different autisms different causes.



Undoubtedly, there are some autistic people, a small minority, whose causal genetic variants have been positively identified. I have taken probiotics for many years, and although it has helped my various gut problems, it has had no discernible effect on my autistic traits. Touching nylon fabric still creates visceral revulsion in me, leaving me with a feeling like all my nerves are frayed, a feeling lasting for many minutes.


It's possible your autism isn't correlated. It's also possible the effect isn't great enough to overcome your gut microbiome's makeup -> I Know that if I had simply began taking some daily probiotics it wouldn't have hardly done anything at all. I had to go through a long process of killing off the bad stuff in my digestive tract first. Otherwise I'd have simply been sending probiotics to their quick death and they wouldn't have a chance to hang around in my gut and have much of any benefit to me.


just BTW : Alchohol = death to microbiome :skull: , ( but conundrum ; rotting plant substances can yeild minute amounts of alchohol) .more if properly processed . But some rotting plant products can produce beneficial gut bacteria. At points in the rotting process .In conjunction with other bacteria. IMHO :mrgreen:


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17 Feb 2023, 12:32 pm

Urselius wrote:
AardvarkGoodSwimmer wrote:

And in general, I think school is a lousy environment, whose main purpose seems to be to warehouse kids so that parents can work.



The reception class did not really teach much, it was, I think, mainly there to socialise the children. Also, it was very large, with over 40 kids and two teachers. There was lots of organised, and disorganised, play. They could not have designed a more autism-hostile environment if they had tried!

Yeah, that’s kind of my view of school. That they couldn’t create a more aggressively anti-autism environment if they tried! :-P

I can remember my mom, who started out in college as an art major, taking me to one of these enrichment art classes when I was around ten years old. My mom can be disorganized, and then she overtries and over-compensates in somewhat unpredictable ways.

Anyway, she got me to the class about 10 minutes early. And it’s this noisy environment. And no, it most emphatically does not start on time. Of course, it doesn’t start on time.

Long minutes click by and maybe it starts 8 minutes late. And then, the guy tries to tell some wooden jokes to build “rapport.” Let’s just do some art . . . Please! If I was running the class, the kids would be handled art supplies as they walk in the door, and then, if they get there early, they can start early.

In the noise and chaos, I think many of the kids liked the nightclub-like or cocktail party-like environment before the class started. And I’m guessing many really enjoyed the unstated “permission” to misbehave and be loud in a school environment. But, perhaps even some of the non-spectrum kids didn’t. I was too hunkered down to notice.

And the kicker— By abdicating responsibility, in my view, the teacher lost all claim to authority.

I’m generally anti-authority. And no, quite frankly, this has not served me well.



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17 Feb 2023, 2:23 pm

klanka wrote:
Thanks goldfish

I'm trying something similar,I'm on week two.
But I'm not that strict. I drink kefir cos I don't like sauerkraut.
I'll check out kimchi though.


Kimchi is at least flavoured with hot peppers and garlic, so not the same bite as sauerkraut.

Also, there are various flavours of sauerkraut these days - carrot ginger, beat, dill, I've had some with apple in it that are sweeter etc.

I'd imagine the probiotics in kimchi are right up there in extremely high counts like sauerkraut - which is in the Trillions vs. Billions measured in other foods/supplements.


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17 Feb 2023, 2:26 pm

klanka wrote:
I suppose Candida is relevant to this topic.


I looked at the side effects like:
it using your minerals for itself
Supposed to attach itself to major organs
Feeling hungover in the morning
Brain fog

I think mine is going away but it makes you feel Ill as it dies off.


Reminds me: There's a veterinary medicine that kills off chitin, which is apparently what candida cells are made up of, and apparently safe for humans.. I never did try it - but - I still might source it and try it. There aren't any human cells made from it, so it should only kill off things that aren't supposed to be in you.


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17 Feb 2023, 5:41 pm

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I wonder if some yogurt brands have nanobots in them.



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17 Feb 2023, 11:20 pm

But honestly, scientific basis or not, I take advantage at the very fact that being drunk is a socially acceptable enough excuse to act a little weird and at least more reckless, blunt and offensive"open, loose tongued and this illusion of confidence via losing inhibitions".

A great excuse for the socially active but odd and comes off as too strong socialization strategies.


It's a great excuse for me to come out too strong, too emotional (as if I have much control of THAT to begin with), or "loud" and inappropriately "chattery" with being drunk as a great excuse for such 'behaviors'.

Then make others who "knew me" associate that state and that behaviors.

Maybe I should hang out on bars and clubs sometimes, pretend that I'm easily get tipsy or get drunk, and do just that -- by hustling. :P

My real first time getting drunk thought I was actually hustler, and the co-workers who tried to compete with me usually drinks on a more regular basis than I do. Yet I somewhat managed to out-drink them.

So why not? It's not like I'm lying about not drinking regularly. I don't need to be drunk or even drink at all to act less inhibited.
But making it real doesn't really change this recklessness except as a permission and an excuse, the rest is just less desirable bodily symptoms.

Then those who sees the excuse, or doesn't know any better than try and take advantage of that won't know any wiser.
People don't need to know that I'm sober the whole time. :wink: Only that I no longer hold back a lot of irrational and possibly violent crap that I'm carrying for these years.



TLDR; in my case, I don't think my social cognition changes by binge drinking.

More like I take advantage of the environmental atmospheres and spatial vibe that most socially cognitively altered NTs had consensually established.

... Maybe to a point of manipulating said atmosphere into my favor. Which I already did at least a few times without alcohol involved.


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18 Feb 2023, 12:53 pm

^It's not about people's behaviour while intoxicated. It's about the alcohol murdering their gut flora and altering their social cognition afterwards.


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18 Feb 2023, 1:09 pm

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^It's not about people's behaviour while intoxicated. It's about the alcohol murdering their gut flora and altering their social cognition afterwards.

Hm, alright.

So, is this a better alternative for killing undesirable gut microbiome than taking antibiotics and potentially cause antibiotic resistant infections?


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18 Feb 2023, 1:26 pm

goldfish21 wrote:
^It's not about people's behaviour while intoxicated. It's about the alcohol murdering their gut flora and altering their social cognition afterwards.

Gut flora also includes yeasts, which are alcohol tolerant and indeed some are beneficial. Published papers on this subject are largely about the effects of alcohol abuse on gut flora and the use of probiotics to treat alcohol related pathologies, such as alcoholic liver disease, as here: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26695747/

It is unlikely that non-abusive alcohol consumption, unlike use of antibiotics, would have significant effects on the gut flora. The appendix is also known to be a reservoir of good gut microbes, that can survive such events as GI infections resulting in diarrhoea.


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18 Feb 2023, 2:52 pm

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goldfish21 wrote:
^It's not about people's behaviour while intoxicated. It's about the alcohol murdering their gut flora and altering their social cognition afterwards.

Hm, alright.

So, is this a better alternative for killing undesirable gut microbiome than taking antibiotics and potentially cause antibiotic resistant infections?

Probably not or Doctors would prescribe vodka for bacterial infections.. and they don't, because it's most likely not an effective treatment.


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