NVLD - bad, misleading, inadequate name

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I consider communication disorders and Autism Spectrum Disorder to be Developmental Communication Angosia.

I call it Developmental Communication Angosia Spectrum Disorder.

Inadequate problem.

Why not just name Aspergers and autism the same thing?

Kind of.

PDD include Asperger's Syndrome, Childhood Disintegrative Disorder, and Rett's Syndrome. Children with PDD vary widely in abilities, intelligence, and behaviors according to National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke.

Other forms of PDDs includes, PDD-NOS and Autistic Disorder as well.

Source:

https://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/all ... ation-page


All Pervasive Developmental Disorders are treated as Autism Spectrum Disorder with severity and with or without Intellectual Disabilities.

I am the original poster here and I "refresh" this topic.

I think that NVLD is a real thing, but I also think that many people with NVLD (also among those who were diagnosed with NVLD without co-morbid PDD/ASD) in fact have a pervasive developmental disorder or an autism spectrum disorder.

Autism is developmental social-emotional-behavioral disorder, NVLD is a neurodevelopmental learning disability. I suppose that many people with autism have co-morbid NVLD and maybe even more people with NVLD have co-morbid autism.

I would say that there are two main kinds of NVLD:

- hyperverbalia (term analogous to hyperlexia; relative dysharmony and imbalance in cognitive skills and profile; early or at least normal speech development, verbal skills and VIQ, VCI significantly higher than visual-spatial and visualizational skills and than PIQ, POI),
- developmental visual-spatial disorder (DVSD, qualitative impairment, not relative imbalance or relative dysharmony associated with visual-spatial abilities; impairment in reading nonverbal informations, especially spatial or visual, impaired reading of maps, graphs, clocks...).

A person can have hyperverbalia and may not meet criteria for DVSD or vice versa.

None, one or both: hyperverbalia and DVSD may be present in an autistic person.

I also would say that there are three main types of ASD/PDD-NVLD relationship:

1. ASD/PDD with NVLD (nonverbal communication imairment, social ineptitude and problems with interpersonal relationships, "quirkiness" and "peculiarity", one-sided interactions, content-flooding, "expansive mood" or social disinterest (sometimes being "aplatonic-like"), special interests or hyperfixations, hyperactivity or more typical self-stimulating behaviors, sensory discomfort intolerance or idiosyncratic sensory processing, punding or high-content thinking or peculiar customs, behaviors, rituals or routines - all or quite many of them are present since childhood and autisticity is present in adolescence and adulthood).
2. NVLD with non-clincal autism-like symptoms (social ineptitude due to visual-spatial impairment and difficulty reading nonverbal informations like visual messages).
3. NVLD without social ineptitude and without social awkwardness which does not look autistic.

Probably vast majority of NVLDers are in ASD/PDD with NVLD group or NVLD with nob-clinical autism-like symptoms group.

http://simonbaruchcurriculum.pbworks.co ... lities.pdf

Subtypes.

"C. Subtype: Predominant Deficiency in Social Perception" is in my opinion a kind of autism/PDD which may not met DSM-V ASD criteria. "Rule-bound (when the rules change, they have difficulty accommodating; very literal; rigid" and "Difficulty with transitions; novelty" look to be a kind of meeting routines/rituals criterion of PDD/ASD which would give diagnosis of Asperger syndrome from ICD-10 even when restricted interests are not present. I am even not certain if people with this developmental disorder would meet social communication disorder criteria from DSM-V because SCD criteria require impairment of understanding of metaphors, hidden meanings (I am rather normal in deciphering metaphors and hidden meanings despite being diagnosed with Asperger syndrome when I was nearly 17 years old!).

I think that is easier to get support and help for PDD/ASD than for specific learning disabilities. Dyslexia and dyscalculia may be quite common and the term "pervasive developmental disorder" or the word "autism" appear to describe something severe which requires substantial support.

I think that there should be one subcategory of neurodevelopmental disorders associated with social ineptitude, atypical emotionality and odd behaviors and typical ASD would have to be not the only disorder in this category (such a category might be named "developmental social-emotional-behavioral disorders" or even considered "autism" in very broad sense of this word). I think that many people who should be considered as having autism are misdiagnosed as non-autistic and (or) not having a pervasive developmental disorder. Not every bright autistic person is like Temple Grandin!

I would say that most NVLD is in fact a kind of autism/ASD/PDD with verbal thinking profile, which is not necessarily comorbid with developmental visual-spatial disorder (DVSD) because in verbal thinking autism there may be rather dysharmonic intellectual profile with VIQ at least 15 - 20 points higher than PIQ while PIQ is above 85 or even above 100 (and all subscales in performance part may be at least 8 which corresponds to PIQ from 88 to 92, so above 85 and not below average). DVSD is the true NVLD, "social NVLD" is "the more genuine" kind of Asperger's syndrome which clearly differs in details from "milder" presentations of Kanner's syndrome which were commonly diagnosed as Asperger's syndrome using DSM-IV or ICD-10.

DVSD is possible without social issues and in verbal thinking autism social and behavioral issues tend to be present even in preschool age, although in first three years symptoms may be not so obvious, for example speech would be rather developed earlier than average or in average age, not delayed at all. Social, emotional, behavioral and executive or sensory issues are core elements of verbal thinking autism.

I think autism is a more misleading name because it means "self", and I don't think I'm any more selfish than the average NT, and people with other conditions can be typically more reserved than me. Shy NTs can be reserved.

As someone who hates words, any name can be.
Any label or term can be twisted, remade, or for use in whatever context.
It's a stupid attempt to stretch language past it's limits. And language itself is limiting IMO.


A lot, and I do mean a LOT of conditions are looked through the lens of socialization, due to the belief that all humans are socially and emotionally dependent over it.

So -- I think I'm seeing this issue, of intertwining a very particular learning disability or syndrome, into a completely different condition that impacts not only the cognitive, but also the senses, the perception, the interpretation of, and of sense of self along with the emotionality and physicality of one.

All of which, reduced into the socialization aspects of both conditions.



Because autism is "primarily social" as most people associated the label with, so does any condition that impacts socialization even if it's not their direct point of the label itself, but of byproduct thereof.

It doesn't help that autism, being heterogeneous, would have countless combinations, in the dimensions of cognitive, social, emotional, and so forth.

Make NVLD as if it's a subtype of autism? "Autistic Ballpark"?

Well, so was ADHD.
So was particular sets of personality disorders. So was particular sets of mental illnesses.

So was speech delay itself. So was hyperlexia.
So was giftedness and intellectual disability.

So was some physical conditions even -- and the main theme is almost always social or emotional.


This is how the term allistic isn't as known.
This is why there are assumptions that ND meant autistic. Or that NT itself meant not-autistic.
That one feel they're "less/more autistic" comparing themselves to an allistic but otherwise ND with a completely different condition.

And so, everything that doesn't relate, socially and emotionally -- are "normies" or "weirdos".

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