Is Aspergers the same thing as High Functioning Autism?
I voted no, because I am self-dx'd Aspie and I was talking in complete sentences by 2 1/2, I didn't have a speech delay, my son who is HFA, had a speech delay as well as a mild receptive language delay I didn't have. High functioning Autism is not a medical dx, it is considered a sub-type of Autistic Disorder (Autism). Also one of the things with Aspergers, there is really no delays in self-help skills where there can be with HFA.
Here is an article done by Tony Atwood (one of the experts on Asperger's Syndrome from Australia), this is just one view on the whole thing, it can be found on this page or below.:
http://www.tonyattwood.com.au/publicati ... Difference
Dr Tony Attwood
We have been exploring the nature of autism, as described by Leo Kanner, for nearly 60 years. He described a severe form of autism, typified by the silent and aloof child. We have only been exploring the profile of autism described by Hans Asperger for about 15 years. The children he described had speech and were active participants in social interactions. There is currently some debate in the academic literature and between clinicians as to whether Asperger's syndrome is a unique disorder with a profile of abilities that does not occur in any other syndrome or simply a form of autism with a higher intelligence quotient.
There is general agreement that autism as defined by Leo Kanner and 'autistic psychopathy' (the original descriptive term of Hans Asperger which was later changed to the term Asperger's syndrome by Lorna Wing) are two conditions within the range of disorders known as Pervasive Developmental Disorders or Autistic Spectrum Disorders. In 1994 the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV) provided diagnostic criteria for Asperger's syndrome. The opinion of the authors of the manual, which was revised in 2000 (DSM-IV-TR) was that Asperger's syndrome could be differentiated from autism by an examination of the child's early development and the existence of some characteristics that were rare in children with autism. They considered that early language and cognitive skills are not delayed significantly in children with Asperger's syndrome. There is also no clinically significant delay in age-appropriate self-help skills, adaptive behaviour and curiosity about the environment in childhood. The clinical profile of a child with Asperger's syndrome is also less likely to include motor mannerisms and preoccupation with parts of objects as occurs in autism but the child can have a circumscribed interest that consumes a great deal of their time amassing information and facts. They also noted that the profile of social skills in children with autism includes self-isolation or rigid social approaches, while in Asperger's syndrome there can be a motivation to socialise but this is achieved in a highly eccentric, one-sided, verbose and insensitive manner. Should the child's profile of abilities and developmental history be consistent with the criteria for both autism and Asperger's syndrome, the authors of the DSM state that a diagnosis of autism should take precedence.
The diagnostic criteria in the DSM, which provide a differentiation between autism and Asperger's syndrome, have been examined by several research studies over the last five years. There has been some criticism from clinicians and research that the criteria do not identify the disorder Hans Asperger originally described. The four cases he described in his original paper would be diagnosed, according to DSM criteria, as having autism not Asperger's syndrome. (Miller and Ozonoff 1997). If one was to use the DSM criteria, Asperger's syndrome would be a very rare condition.
Research has also been conducted on whether delayed language in children with autism can accurately predict later clinical symptoms. Three studies have cast considerable doubt over the use of early language delay as a differential criterion between autism and Asperger's syndrome (Eisenmajer, Prior, Leekam, Wing, Ong, Gould and Welham 1998, Dickerson Mayes and Calhoun 2001 Manjiviona and Prior 1999). Any differences in language ability that are apparent in the pre-school years between children with autism and Asperger's syndrome has largely disappeared by early adolescence (Eisenmajer, Prior, Leekam, Wing, Ong, Gould and Welham 1998, Ozonoff, South and Miller 2000).
There is general agreement that children with Asperger's syndrome may not show any conspicuous cognitive delay in early childhood. Indeed, some can be quite precocious or talented in terms of learning to read, numerical abilities and in some aspects of their constructive play and memory. Children with autism can be recognised as having developmental delay in their cognitive abilities from infancy and diagnosed as young as 18 months of age with a mean age of diagnosis of five years. Children with Asperger's syndrome are often not diagnosed until after they start school with a mean age of diagnosis of eleven years (Howlin and Asgharian 1999). However, the signs of Asperger's syndrome in very young children may be more subtle and easily camouflaged at home and school. On reflection, parents (especially mothers) and teachers have often been concerned about some aspects of the child's cognitive development, in particular their social reasoning, but their concerns may have been intuitive, and difficult to describe to clinicians. It is not until the child is expected to show more advanced cognitive abilities that formal assessments indicate significant delay or an unusual profile in cognitive development.
There has been research comparing the cognitive profile of adolescents with autism and Asperger's syndrome. The studies have examined the cognitive profile of what may be called 'High Functioning Autism', that is children with a diagnosis of autism with an Intelligence Quotient in the normal range, i.e. above 70. The term High Functioning Autism has been used in the past to describe children who had the classic signs of autism in early childhood but as they developed, formal testing of their cognitive skills indicated a greater degree of intellectual ability with greater social and adaptive behaviour skills than are usual with children with autism. Their clinical outcome was better than expected. The cognitive abilities of this group of children were then compared to the cognitive profile of children with Asperger's syndrome, who did not have a history of early cognitive or language delay. The results of the research has not established a distinct and consistent profile for each group. Ehlers, Nyden, Gillberg, Dahlgren Sanberg, Dahlgren, Hjelmquist and Oden (1997) found that only a minority of each diagnostic group showed a characteristic profile.
One group of researchers, based at Yale University in the United States have suggested, on the basis of their research studies, that the neuropsychological profiles of children with Asperger's syndrome and High Functioning Autism are different. (Klin, Volkmar, Sparrow, Cicchetti and Rourke 1995). However, research by other scientists examining diagnostic differentiation using neuropsychological testing has not identified a distinct profile that discriminates between the two groups. (Manjiviona and Prior 1999, Miller and Ozonoff 2000 Ozonoff South and Miller 2000).
The DSM criteria refer to children with Asperger's syndrome as having, in comparison to children with autism, no clinically significant delay in age-appropriate self-help skills and adaptive behaviour. Clinical experience indicates that parents, especially mothers of children and adolescents with Asperger's syndrome, often have to provide verbal reminders and advice regarding self-help and daily living skills. This can range from problems with dexterity affecting activities such as learning to tie shoelaces to reminders regarding personal hygiene, dress sense and time management. Clinicians have also recognised significant problems with adaptive behaviour, especially with regard to anger management, anxiety and mood. (Attwood 2002). Clinical experience and research has confirmed that in terms of the child's behavioural profile, children and adults with High Functioning Autism and Asperger's syndrome have a very similar presentation (Ozonoff, South, and Miller 2000). Both groups benefit from the same behavioural treatment programs.
The academic may decide whether a particular subject in a research study has a diagnosis of autism or Asperger's syndrome to ensure that their research examines the same clinical populations as in other studies. The clinician has other considerations and decides whether the child has a diagnosis of autism or Asperger's syndrome to help define and understand their differences to other children. However their recommendations for treatment for both High Functioning Autism and Asperger's syndrome are the same.
Clinicians have noted that as the clinical picture of Pervasive Developmental Disorders or Autistic Spectrum Disorders changes over time, a child may receive a diagnosis of severe autism or High Functioning Autism at one point in their developmental history and Asperger's syndrome at a later stage. (Attwood 1998, Gillberg 1998). There is also the opinion among clinicians that, contrary to DSM, if a child meets criteria for both autism and Asperger's syndrome, the child is given a diagnosis of Asperger's syndrome (Mahoney, Szatmari, MacLean, Bryson, Bartolucci, Walter, Jones and Zwaigenbaum 1998)
A dilemma for the clinician is whether a particular diagnosis enables the child to have access to the government services that they need. In some countries, a child may only have support in the classroom or the parents receive government allowances or medical insurance coverage if the child has a diagnosis of autism. Clinicians may write reports with a diagnosis of autism rather than the more accurate diagnosis of Asperger's syndrome. This is particularly relevant when one considers the epidemiological research suggests that one person in 250 has Asperger's syndrome, using the criteria being adopted by clinicians (Kadesjo Gillberg and Hagberg 1999). Government and non-government agencies, especially Education and Health departments, have usually not been funded for such an incidence and are reluctant to 'open the floodgates'.
Conclusion
Having reviewed the literature, we may be able to answer the question, is there a difference between Asperger's syndrome and High Functioning Autism? The reply is that the research and clinical experience would suggest that there is no clear evidence that they are different disorders. Their similarities are greater than their differences. We appear to be taking, particularly in Europe and Australia, a dimensional view of autism and Asperger' syndrome rather than a categorical approach. (Leekam, Libby, Wing Gould and Gillberg 2000). At present both terms can be used interchangeably in clinical practice.
References
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Attwood T. (2002) Frameworks for behavioural interventions. Child and Adolescent Psychiatric Clinics of North America. 12 (in press).
Dickerson Mayes, S. and Calhoun, S.L. (2001) Non-significance of early speech delay in children with autism and normal intelligence and implications for DSM-IV Asperger's Disorder. Autism. 5, 81-94.
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Leekam S., Libby S., Wing L., Gould J., and Gillberg C. (2000) Comparison of ICD-10 and Gillberg's criteria for Asperger syndrome. Autism 4, 11-28.
Mahoney W. J., Szatmari P., , MacLean J.E., Bryson S. E., Bartolucci G., Walter S.D., Jones M.B. and Zwaigenbaum L. (1998) Reliability and accuracy of differentiating Pervasive Developmental Disorder subtypes. Journal of the American Academy of Child and adolescent Psychiatry, 37, 278-285.
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I'd have to say no also. The key being IMO the speech issue.
I was delayed in the onset of speech, but once I started talking I quickly mastered it and was talking like an adult at the age of three.
I never needed to have speech therapy.
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I live my life to prove wrong those who said I couldn't make it in life...
Who cares anyway? I am highly autistic, I am also "normally functioning" within usual measuers, and I don't fit in with NTs. On Aspie sites, I do fit in with people who are, like me, highly autistic, but many of these have disabilities (or so they tell me, but it's not obvious during web communications) but what of it, we have so any attitudes in common, so we are the same!
Speech issues? Useful for clinicians maybe...
I don't think they're the same, but don't really know much about either.
I only really know of one major difference, if that is even considered a difference (see other headline about Aspergers and HFA), that is the 3 year old language learning mark. HFA continue struggling or don't learn language beyond the age of 3 years, but they learn eventually though may not use it much.
Autism is autism.
Asperger's, high-functioning, low-functioning, and Kanner's (among others) are all words that have been used to subdivide it according to the perceptions of non-autistic people. The words mean different things to them (and to anyone who believes diagnostic criteria written by people who think there's a difference) because they defined those differences. Therefore you get people saying "Yes, of course, language delay." When in reality language delay is only one possibility for subdividing autistics. What about if someone had decided that Asperger's syndrome meant you didn't stim and autism meant you did stim? Would that mean that "there was a difference between autism and Asperger's syndrome" or would it just mean that someone had decided upon a rather arbitrary trait present in some autistics and absent in others and called them two different names?
There are different sorts of autistic people. The current externally-imposed subdivisions of autistic people lump people together who are different from each other, as well as dividing people from each other who are very similar to each other. So "Is Asperger's the same as high-functioning autism?" isn't a question I could really answer because it's "Is fictional construct #1 the same as fictional construct #2?" to me. Autism is autism and the subdivisions IMO need to be thrown out in favor of, if anything, new ones that reflect reality.
In my opinion, Asperger's syndrome resembles what is known as "nonverbal learning disorder." That is, in neuropsychological testing, verbal (auditory, sequential, rote) intelligence is significantly higher than performance (visual-spatial, kinesthetic, nonsequential) intelligence. Both high-functioning autistics and aspies arrive at pervasive social deficits--but for somewhat different reasons. Many autistic people claim to have great balance and depth perception; these are areas of weakness for me. Many autistics claim to have trouble finding words for their thoughts; this is not at all a problem for me. For me, the lack of eye contact is not due to sensory overload but rather to anxiety, as is the inability to say hi and so forth (when I actually hear it).
Essentially, I believe there are some differences among the similarities between high-functioning autism and Asperger's syndrome.
The thing is, these don't necessarily say anything about "Asperger's" and "High functioning autism". They say something about the differences between you and some other autistics. There are people diagnosed with autism who are more like you are, and there are people diagnosed with autism who are different in these regards than you are, and there are people diagnosed with Asperger's who are more like you are, and there are people diagnosed with Asperger's who are different in these regards than you are. There are also people who for instance might have eye contact problems due to anxiety but have no trouble at all finding words for their thoughts.
To me the idea isn't between whether varying traits exist (because they do), but whether these two words are even meaningful in describing the differences. I have seen for instance some people say "Autistics are visual thinkers and aspies are not", and I have heard other people say "Aspies are visual thinkers and autistics are not." Neither of those statements are true, but it seems like that's what happens when a difference is discovered among autistic people: Instead of being just one of many differences, it becomes "proof" that there are "two kinds" of autistic people.
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This question worries me, because I think that the wish to 'label' people neatly and precisely is not helpful. It leads to outsiders (in this case, NTs) thinking they understand a problem , when in reality all they have done is categorise it. And remember you can 'categorise' books in a library without having read any of them!
Judging from some news reports and from some discussions I have had with people, I think that there is a tendency among NTs to lump all autistic people or Aspies together as being alike. Yet we are all very different, with different strengths and problems. Nobody would think of saying that all people with, say, cancer, or with headaches, or with indigestion are all the same just because they share similar symptoms and a "label"....they are all individuals and the causes of their problems, their reaction to them, and the treatment each requires might be wildly different.
Aiutistic disorders are often described as a "spectrum", and with good reasons; the colours on a spectrum blend into each other, and there is no sharp distinction between them. So it is with the Auristic spectrum.
I agree with an earlier poster, Autism is Autism. The differences between Autistic people are quite superficial. You can have different Autistic people just as you can have different Neurotypical people, but it's the same Autism and the same Neurotypicality.
The spectrum model was origianally developed to teach idiots that often don't understand the naunces of disability and need stereotypes to have any kind of comprehensions a means of understanding Autism.
Lorna Wing has since expressed deep regret for coining the term 'Asperger's Syndrome' after she kept getting Autistic adults pointing out what Autistic children were trying to say. Autistic adults succeeded in interpreting behaviour in Autistic children beyond what most NTs were capable of.
It's believed but no study has been done that low-functioning Autistics benefit from being in an enviroment with high-functioners. In fact, a lot of people with other kinds of mind-oreintated disabilities improve under Autistic-controlled enviroments.
There is a historical hypothisis that had Hans Asperger's practice not been bombed by allied planes in WW2 Autistics might have faired better.
It's also worth mentioned that the field of Autism is one of the very few areas of study where professional have had to learn from us and parents(mostly parents), WE are the real experts. That's why the world-authorities like Tony Attwood and Rita Jordan are what they are; they are some of the few that consult directly with Autistics themselves.
in the UK, the most common abbreviation for autism is ASD = Autistic Spectrum Disorder.
I don't know. I find it perplexing that there is no clear cut, straightforward definition to the autism/asperger/ASD question. Is one the other? Are they all the same? Are AS and Autism different? Couldn't the Germans, who have known about it for some 60 years now have figured it out at least, or did they not learn of Kanner's until late to make such a comparison.
PS No racism inflected here, whether its an AS related thing, or that fact that I have a pretty good mix myself, I cannot say.
I have heard that too. Its as if they can not get it straight or more likely simply not agree. I for example, (this maybe one of the reasons I don't memorize books) will remember things easier that are of all multimedia all encompassing type experience (that seems to go for most humans in general too, doesn't it?), I don't remember books word for word because I basically turn them into movies in my head and remember the movies instead, this can create problems for remembering what characters say, since the books are not organized in a movie experience friendly manner, and therefore I mentally paraphrase alot. On the other hand, I seem to memorize quizes and tests and reviews of them, but not to the point where I can recant them word for word, I need a trigger (which is true for much of my memory), like when I take another test or quiz that has similar or the same questions, then I remember the previous answers I used and if I was paying attention to that question/answer during review (Thank you, ADHD hint of sarcasm there), then I remember the corrected answers too and therefore rarely have to study, sometimes studying deters my test taking skill. I think it depends on how I do that, if I spend a lot of non stop time, I am worse, if I occassionally glance at the data or look at it just before a test (provided I don't get that occasional mental block), I do much better.
But I generally think in movies. My dreams are like movies. I remember movies. I can often look at a movie and within a minute tell what it is or sometimes less. Some movies I know virtually all the lines too, some I can recall without help, others I can recall before it comes up while watching it, at the very least I can often remember a lot of details about movies. History is the same, I picture historical events as movies. Math is harder to picture this way, but if is ever taught right, with an emphasis on multimedia cues, then I can become the next Newton. Is that assessment i line with your thoughts anbuend?
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The historical distinctions between AS and autism are rather arbitary or erroneous in many ways. Hans Asperger's original case studies included kids with speech delays and slight cognitive impairments, so it makes so sense for Asperger's to be distinguished from autism along those lines. Autism is autism. All distinctions are purely a matter of conveniance these days for psychologists, neurologists, and psychiatrists. If you look at my developmental history, some might say HFA. Others might say AS. If people can't even agree on the difference between the two with any strong reliability--as many studies have shown--how can we still have a distinction in the DSM? It's preposterous. My friends include people on the spectrum who are self-diagnosed and diagnosed with autism, AS, and PDD-NOS. But I really don't see any major difference between any of them. In my personal opinion, it's high time that the separate pervasive developmental disorder categories were abolished in favor of one autism spectrum classification that allows for variance over a lifetime in functioning and adaptability. I'm tired of writing out the phrase "autism and Asperger's" all the time. We're all autistics.
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