aspi and autist must be viewed seperately.

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Thats it really; aspis crave friendships ...

autists are needless of.

aspis can invent and develop, autists can/ are stuck in now-where land.

autists can be soooo in yer face, aspis are so needlessly sensitive and retiring.

Big question.... whats the real reason these two disparate separate polar opposite people are being lumped together. Is there some strange cranky politics behind this??

A great dis-service is occurring.

Please no destructive comment from zealots .. I require constructive responses from open minded people and please don't throw 'over-intelligence' at me.

Well it's really hard then - but where did you get these observations? I honestly can't agree with any of them and I don't think I have read anything like it elsewhere.

What if the origin is the same? I am at a point that I don't crave for friendship anymore and I feel stuck, should there be a special category for me?

Maybe you are right and Autism should be sliced in a dozen of definitions according to all the symptoms and if some symptoms are solved or not.

Autism 0: no contact with external world
...
Autism 6: engaging and maintaining relationship
...
Autism 12: all problems supported, but finds almost everything pointless or dull on this planet

Your mistake is that all your definitions are absolutes.black and white.

Can your really say ALL aspies crave friendships? Can you truthfully say there are NO autitstics the crave friendship?

Each of your "differences" are false dichotomies for which it is easy to find counter examples.

What practical differences are gained by keeping a separate diagnostic category for Asperger's?

The main difference between HFA and AS is when the person learned to speak. Not whether they want friends or not.

Which one of the groups produces stereotypes of groups without any factual data whatsoever?

I think that many of the people who are presented as an exemple of aspie inventiveness (like Newton) seemed more in the "needless of friends" type than in the "crave friendship" type.

WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.

Not a very constructive response, but I'm getting tired of the stereotyping and pigeon-holing from within the autistic community. Someone else already said it, but it bears repeating. What you've written here is so black and white, without nuance. Without truth, really.

My son is autistic. At his last diagnostic review the dev. ped. said, "Call him HFA, PDD-NOS, mild autism, take your pick but I don't consider him qualified for aspergers." Because of language and lack of obsessive tendencies.

Tenzin craves friendships and has a few, he is perfectly capable of being inventive, and he's certainly not "in your face" (whatever that means.) Sorry, OP, I think you are simply prejudiced.

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touch sensitivity, light and noise sensitivity. Don't both groups share that? sometimes i feel like i enter nowhere land for a bit, if someone speaks to me if i am really thinking hard they and their words silence and i only notice details in the background and peripherals. This was sort of a developed behavior for social anxiety tho, kind of tuning out. It happens now sometimes when im intently thinking alone as well. In class whenever my eyes were staring long enough at someone i would get really bad anxiety, or if they looked at me and so forth. Sit across from someone and you can learn to sometimes leave this planet. I am still unsure of what i have, the different variations of spectrum illnesses really do lead me to think maybe the brain actually is expanding. The more severe, the more severe the case. This world has always mutated and tested things out. Fact is a lot of these people are very talented, in an age where multi-talent is a master at nothing. Maybe being intent on one thing or creative is the way to go about it. If you combine all the mental illnesses in the world, u must come to the conclusion that normal is based off of what?? Those who can function in a pre set guideline. There are a lot of illnesses, personality types and illnesses are hand n hand for some. For others they are in another place, so i guess we are trying to find everything in between. Fact is doctors are still guessing at a lot, i could either have nld, asp, or about 5 different mental illnesses in other categories. Its too complicated and unique to really comment on it at all other then to say we all are different and some of us so much so it causes issues for us in mainstream society. Labeling is the reason people have to fight to be recognized or accepted. sorry.. i do rant....a trait of mine!

How do you know autists are "stuck in nowhere land'? Maybe it's what too many people believe so it's like a self fulfilling prophecy, but is it really true? Each individual is different. From what I have seen on WP, it seems Autists are the friendlier ones, anyway.
Do all Aspies crave friendship, or only a certain percentage? How do you know Autists don't crave them? According to WP posts, Autists are capable of being friendly and social.

well ok. thanks for that, but im shure there's alot of autistic people that would disagree with you. most of them are very smart and want long lasting relationships

I'm autistic.

And, guess what! I've got friends, I care deeply for them, I'm not "in their face" and I understand what's social 'okay' in this area. Stereotyping people isn't all that good of an idea, it hurts people. It cuts out people that do not fit into your stereotype.

Autism and Asperger's don't fit in a box. That's limiting your view of them if you try to fit them into boxes, definitions, and whatever else. People with Autism and Asperger's are, at the end of the day, still people, and human beings, by nature, are always going to be diverse. So, tear apart your box and see what these people are like before placing a stereotyping box upon them.

Tetra007 is right in my opinion about the stereotyping.

I adhere to the saying, "You've met one person with autism...you've met one person with autism."

We are all different. None of us fit in any one mold. Our traits differ from each other in how they present themselves.

I am of the opinion that Asperger's is a form of HFA, which is a form of autism. Whatever autism spectrum "difference" we have---we are still autistic, in my opinion.

I agree, I believe that Asperger's is a form of HFA. If you look at Temple Grandin and Stephen Shore at this point in their lives you would probably describe them as being AS. I myself am not sure if I am AS or HFA, my mother has recently told me that I didn't speak in my early childhood and that when I finally did speak you had to listen very carefully to try to understand what I was saying. If you look at me now, you would describe me as having AS. I have three boys on the spectrum, if I was indeed an autist as a child how would you explain the AS in my boys if the two aren't related?

Where do I fit within these supposedly "polar opposite groups"?

I don't crave friends. I don't have any. Not one. I haven't had any - and I mean ANY - social interaction with friends for over six years and I really don't care. If I were the last person alive I'd be as about happy as I am now, if not happier, as there would be a hell of a lot of relief. But I can invent and develop and I'm certainly not "autistic" in the way you describe.

My 5 yr old son is diagnosed as PDD-NOS, and to me that is the best description for him because he does have aspects of both autism and Asperger's. He had words at 10 mos, and was pronouncing 3 and 4 syllable words by the time he was 2. However, he had a lot of echolalia and he was not communicating back and forth. He talked A LOT, but he did not really start to have too much back and forth conversation until he was about 4. My son has never been quiet, he talks all of the time! But he talks about strange stuff, and speaks out of context a good bit of the time.
He has special interests----cars and churches, and he talks about these quite a bit.

He has always had good eye contact, and is social with adults, but he has NO desire to play with other children. He never has, and he seems to be more and more anxious around kids than he ever was.

He is not real rigid, and has pretty good flexibility. He has very poor fine and gross motor skills. He is capable of learning, but has a lot of trouble staying on task and doing his work at school. He seems to be able to learn, but at this time, he doesn't seem to be exhibiting traits of giftedness. He does have a memory that is off the charts. He remembers people's names that he met 3 yrs ago (at 2 yrs old). He doesn't seem to be an inventor. He is very into music of all kinds.

Anyway, my point in this post is to say that my son seems to be very Asperger in some ways, but not so much in other ways. I am just going with the PDD-NOS, and I just keep wondering on a scale of 1-10. how autistic is my son? Does it really matter? I have no idea what his potential will be, and I am okay with that.