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hale_bopp
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18 Sep 2006, 10:58 pm

I just want to apologize to anyone i've ever pissed off or offended.

You don't have any idea how sorry I am.



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19 Sep 2006, 3:26 am

Well you never offended me.

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19 Sep 2006, 3:29 am

I have no idea who you are, therefore you have not offended me.
Ergo, you dont require forgiveness.
If you think youve pissed off God, the Pope may be a good resource, but I dont think he posts here. And some people think he's a Nazi and such.
If your not Catholic...ummm...just do whatever. Theres lots of holy men on top of high mountains, one of them possibly has the answer you are looking for.



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19 Sep 2006, 4:29 am

hale_bopp wrote:
I just want to apologize to anyone i've ever pissed off or offended.

You don't have any idea how sorry I am.



What? What sort of nonsense is this? Why are you saying such a ridiculous thing? The people you offended probably deserved it, or do not deserve an apology, or were offended because of their own deficiencies or neuroses and not because you did anything wrong.

If you offend someone, it does NOT automatically mean you should always apologize for it or feel bad about it. You should only be apologizing for it if you analyze the situation and come to the conclusion that you made a mistake in that particular case.

OK so maybe you think there are some cases where an apology IS warranted. However, apologizing to "anyone i've ever pissed off or offended" is rubbish and insincere. If you genuinely want to apologize, then the proper way to do it is to give individual apologies to specific persons, mentioning the specific acts that you are apologizing for.

A broad sweeping "sorry to everyone" announcement is practically worthless in regards to the offended people who might deserve an apology, and inappropriate in regards to the offended people who do not deserve an apology. It is just plain wrong for BOTH groups of people.

Imagine if you were the one offended, and the offending person apologized without even addressing their apology to you, and without even mentioning your name! It would be a very weak and useless apology. The apology itself would be an offensive apology!!

So in summary:
(a) They probably do not deserve any apology from you.
(b) Or if there are a few that do deserve an apology, then you should write to them personally and individually.
(c) If you cannot remember specific acts that you are apologizing for, or who to apologize to, then just forget it, it is too late. Move on and try to act better in future.



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19 Sep 2006, 4:37 am

Emp, I agree with a lot of what you say here, but the way you say it does come across a bit harsh! :? I'm sure you don't want Hale_Bopp to experience even more painful regret because of what you've just said, do you?


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19 Sep 2006, 4:43 am

scrulie wrote:
Emp, I agree with a lot of what you say here, but the way you say it does come across a bit harsh! :? I'm sure you don't want Hale_Bopp to experience even more painful regret because of what you've just said, do you?

Harsh lovin' and complete lack of tact, that is me :evil:

I deserve the "Worst Social Worker of the Year" award.



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19 Sep 2006, 4:58 am

I think her point is not that she is giving a general apology but that her intent has
not been to offend in general and those few times that she has and should not have
she is sorry. And maybe in those times when she was well in her right to offend she may feel in the grand scheme of things "its no big deal either way to her".

I had problems with a post of hers but it was because I was just starting Prozac
and outta of my mind depressed. Now I can see with a clear mind she did absolutely
noithing wrong. I was just crazy. My guess her current problems are the result of
some aspies she has encountered that are lost in their own world of craziness.

She could have had a lawyer write up her statement to make you happy Emp but
since most of us are not lawyers we understand her point.



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19 Sep 2006, 5:16 am

I too have never been offended by bopp, and took this as a general expression of regret for some past... edginess. I think there are some insensitive people on this site who might never sincerely apologize for anything, but I try to remain optimistic.


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19 Sep 2006, 6:30 am

TheMachine1 wrote:
I think her point is not that she is giving a general apology...

So her message is titled "Apologies" and begins with "I just want to apologize..." and ends with "sorry", and yet you say it is NOT intended to be an apology??



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19 Sep 2006, 6:40 am

emp wrote:
TheMachine1 wrote:
I think her point is not that she is giving a general apology...

So her message is titled "Apologies" and begins with "I just want to apologize..." and ends with "sorry", and yet you say it is NOT an apology?


I'm not a computer program running on a 8088. I read hundreds of her post and
can make a decision base on everything in a larger context then the few words she
used here. I'm not going to have a semantics war over defining words. She could
have wrote "I just want to die f*** all of you" and I could largely make the same
output. If it was just about one post why have user names? Lets just all call our
self user WP. Lets have a 3 second memory and apply none of the past to the
present.



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19 Sep 2006, 7:14 am

TheMachine1 wrote:
She could have wrote "I just want to die f*** all of you" and I could largely make the same output.


You would interpret
"I just want to die f*** all of you"
to mean
"My intent has not been to offend and those times I did and should not have, I am sorry"
?

*chuckles*

Taking the context into account is one thing. Interpreting a statement to mean something completely different than what is written is something else.



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19 Sep 2006, 7:22 am

emp wrote:
TheMachine1 wrote:
She could have wrote "I just want to die f*** all of you" and I could largely make the same output.


You would interpret
"I just want to die f*** all of you"
to mean
"My intent has not been to offend and those times I did and should not have, I am sorry"
?

*chuckles*



Yes I do.

A != B (what you see)

Larger_context(A) == Larger_context(B)

Its that function Larger_context(x) (what I am seeing)



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19 Sep 2006, 7:40 am

TheMachine1 wrote:
She could have wrote "I just want to die f*** all of you" and I could largely make the same output.


This is what I got out of it from the moment I read it. I feel the same way sometimes.

I can't think of any time she has pissed me off, or even shown lack of reason when she was straightforward with someone, else. I have never been addressed by her directly, so I don't apply her statement to me. It seems like more of an expresson of some confusing emotion she is experiencing, than an apology.
Bopp, I hope you get through it OK and we can have your angel avie back, soon.

I'll go a bit farther than the opening post and say that everyone who has ever pissed me off is forgiven. But then I'm having a great day with no problems at all, except for some uncontrolled escapist attitude from my son this morning that I probably could have handled better.

What's going on, hale_bopp?


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19 Sep 2006, 12:22 pm

i'll exept your apology :D



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19 Sep 2006, 12:32 pm

I don't think you have anything to appologize for.



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19 Sep 2006, 1:05 pm

I've known some offensive people. Bopp isn't one that comes right to mind.

Hell, even waterdogs set down his chainsaw.

Coupled with a recent post about how you're not a compassionate, nurturing person, there seems to be some serious insecurity directed toward a problem you don't have.


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