Looking for advice... 4 year vaccs

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Hello all. My first post here. Looking for some advice.

My wife and I are agonizing over whether or not to have our 4 year old receive his 4-year vaccinations. Our son, Kaden, was diagnosed with PDD-NOS this time last year. After nearly a year of 20-hour TSS weeks he has made great progress and will be starting 'normal' preschool this fall.

We live in PA, and schools say vaccs are mandatory, but there is a state exemption, so technically, they aren't. We don't know if his 2-year vaccs played a part in his condition. My wife says he did have a reaction to the MMR shot and it was around that age (2) where he started to fall behind others his age. Practically every doctor will say the vaccs are safe, but none will guarantee it. I listen to a Dr. on Saturdays (Dr. Winer put of Pittsburgh) who is 100% against all vaccs. He says they are toxic and are protecting children against diseases that either aren't life-threatening or haven't been around in ages.

We thought about getting the vaccs spaced out over a month or two and making sure the MMR shot is a single dose with NO preservatives. But the Dr. office can tell you anything, right? We are looking for a new Dr. for our son because our current one makes us feel like idiots for even acting about vaccs and just how safe they are.

I've been trying to find articles, etc. on the internet to see if any family had regression after the 4-year shots. I have not found anything so far.

If our boy would regress after making so much progress it would be hard for us to live with.

Any advice, thoughts, links in info would be very helpful. Thanks!

Vaccines have no effect on autism. There is no reason your child should not get vaccines.

Brace yourself for strongly worded responses and accusations of being a troll

This.

L-Carnosine and fish oil with E-EPA have been proven useful in the treatment on the negatives of autism in some researches.

The reason they "haven't been around in ages" is because people have been vaccinated against them. However, we've only eradicated smallpox, so measles and so forth still exist and are still life threatening.

As far as I know, TSS is usually caused by an infection unrelated to vaccines, as we don't have a reliably working SA vaccination.

Vaccines don't cause autism, at all. There is no need to worry about them

The vaccine link to autism has long since been dismissed as a myth. Unfortunately there are a number of parents who have not had their kids vaccinated due to believing this discredited research and their kids have ended up with various preventable diseases and some with permanent damage and disabilities. Will this myth that vaccines cause autism ever die!

Which fear is greater, your fear of your child regressing from vaccinations, or your fear of your child getting a disease he was not vaccinated for? Your answer is there.

Oh, and switch doctors if he isn't willing to discuss or respect your concerns.

agree

If trying to figure out what is best for my child is 'being a troll'... then so be it.

What is the proof that vaccs have no affect? Some Drs aren't to quick to make that statement.

As far as the dilemma on which I fear most... that's what I am trying to sort out. I"m not real worried about many of the things they vacc for... Hep B for instance... my 4yo isn't having sex and he doesn't shoot up with needles... so the chances he'd ever get exposed to Heb B is as close to zero as you can get. Chicken Pox and measles? Maybe he could get them... but didn't we all 30-40 years ago?

Would it be outrageous to ask for the manufacturer of the MMR vaccs and contact them regarding the use of preservs, etc?

http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/01/05/au ... index.html

An investigation published by the British medical journal BMJ concludes the study's author, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, misrepresented or altered the medical histories of all 12 of the patients whose cases formed the basis of the 1998 study -- and that there was "no doubt" Wakefield was responsible.

That was the original study.

Yes it would, because they would probably just laugh and won't give you the information.

VACCINES DON'T CAUSE AUTISM! If they develop Austism, it's because they already had it in their gene!

Vaccines and autism is not proven

Food allergies and encephalitis is proven. Immunodeficiency can also cause problems with bad vaccine reactions.
My advice go get tested for food allergies and immunodeficiency. If all the tests come out good get the vaccines spaced out.

My son regressed after his vaccines. I think it was the MMR because he is allergic to Eggs and chicken and also b/c his immune system is non functional and he shouldn't have received live vaccines. None of this is mysterious or a conspiracy. It's all proven by mainstream medicine.
My son isn't vaccinated past his 2 yr vaccines.
He would need DTaP, Measles(live Virus), and Chicken pox(live virus and I'm not immune to it) plus I have immunodeficiency. I'm hesitant to do the DTaP but that is based on the fact that he can only 2 meats and beef is one of them.

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Some websites are still reporting this poor science as fact, only 1 day ago in the UK we had this story where the authorities stepped in to demand the removal of false advertising of a link between vaccines and autism: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-19163717

You'll note that the company behind this had a vested interest in propagating the vaccine myth. This is why the UK advertising authorities had the ability to force this company to take down this harmful misinformation. This company for a fee is offering alternatives to the MMR as opposed to a free vaccine from the NHS. It should be obvious that their entire business is based upon parental fears which they encourage.

There are a few theories as to why the 2 year regression happens, one is simply that the child's development becomes static, while other children develop normally. It is not regression as much as a failure to progress. This regression has happened in children who have not had vaccines and in populations where the combined MMR vaccine was removed from use (e.g: Japan).

Jason

"Not life-threatening", huh? The ~130,000 kids that died this year from measles would beg to differ. And those are considered low death rates. We're not even mid-epidemic right now.

Yes, your kid should get the vaccines. He's probably going to be cranky and sore the next day. I know I always was. I still am, the day after I get my flu shot. But a nap and some Tylenol can fix that.

I'm not going to lie to you here: Vaccinations have their risks. It's possible to get sick from a vaccine. However, if you don't vaccinate, you run the greater risks of being exposed to the diseases themselves; and that risk is many, many times higher than the risk from the vaccination. Even if your child is in the majority who survive the diseases the vaccines will protect against, he may be hospitalized and fall behind in schoolwork; or--even worse--he may pass the disease on to an immunocompromised friend, to an elderly grandparent, to a newborn too young to vaccinate; and these vulnerable groups could easily die from them. Most of the diseases we vaccinate against are contagious before the symptoms are obvious.

I have AS, and had such severe allergies as a child that I never got any vaccine. If vaccines caused it, I wouldn't have it.

That being said, I didn't know I had it until a few years ago. I'm 48 now. I have 4 kids and I remember reading all the books (A Shot In The Dark) in particular, and worrying so much about giving my kids vaccines. My first was born in 89 and my youngest in 96. Back then I was very suspicious that vaccines caused autism, and I knew nothing about autism except the few articles I had read and things I had seen about barely functional children who are nonverbal. I thought that was the only kind of autism there was.

My first got all his shots, and my second one had a reaction to the pertussis and was hospitalized, and the dr said not to give her or any subsequent children the pertussis vaccine. She had an allergy, which I suppose is hereditary. I had always heard, back then when I was sure that vaccines caused autism, that it was the pertussis that caused it. I was relieved that we got out of giving them that particular vaccine.

I honestly don't much care for vaccines unless they are for serious illnesses. Pertussis is one, but it's pretty rare, and they can't have that shot for medical reasons so it's not my decision to not give it. I gave the Salk polio, diptheria, tetanus, MMR, and menengitis. I did not give chicken pox, mainly because it's a mild disease in childhood and I feel that too many vaccines will compromise the natural immune system.

I also believe the medical community pushes every new vaccine that comes out like it's the vaccine for plague running rampant. My 18 year old daughter's doctor kept pushing the HPV vaccine on her so much that she asked me to come to her next appointment with her and talk to him because she was getting angry. She has been in a relationship with the same boy for five years, they are engaged and responsible about sex (she gets birth control) and they are monogamous. She asked the dr why she needed it if she's only been with one person whose only been with her, and they are getting married. He kept arguing for her to take it.

I got a lot of flack because I refused the chicken pox vaccine for my kids, and they got chicken pox a couple of years ago and were fine. No problems with getting it as an adult now, and no worries about what side effects the vaccine might have years down the road. I'm suspicious of new drugs many times.

I do understand your feelings about vaccines. I share them to an extent, but I can gaurantee you that they do not cause autism. Autism is the one thing you won't have to worry about your child getting from a vaccine. As I said, if vaccines caused it, I wouldn't have it.

ETA; I'm not sure if they even give the oral polio vaccine anymore, but I would like to give you a heads up on it if they do. I've read that the only cases of polio in the US since 1988 were caused by the oral polio vaccine. The cases weren't in the vaccinated child, they were in older unvaccinated people who changed their diapers, because the vaccine can pass out into the poop. That bothered me, so I got all mine the Salk vaccine, which is the shot.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this isn't a troll post. First, the reason people suggested you might be trolling is that this is an issue which angers people and the answers are widely available from authoritative sources. Basically, a doctor named Andrew Wakefield in the UK with links to vested interests did some very dodgy research which "demonstrated" a link between MMR and autism. His research has since been extensively debunked and he has been struck off as a doctor meaning he is no longer allowed to practice medicine as a direct result of the highly damaging lies he perpetuated.

There is definitively NO LINK between MMR and autism. You can have your child vaccinated with MMR without worrying that it will cause or worsen autism. On the other hand, failing to have your child vaccinated or delaying vaccination by using single injections rather than MMR can cause the child to contract a disease against which MMR protects. *All* of these diseases are quite capable of causing horrendous complications including blindness, deafness, meningitis, brain damage (and subsequent mental disability - it is horrible that some parents mislead by this man had a hand in causing rather than prevented a problem of this general sort :/ ) and death.

MMR is safe and having your child vaccinated with it is the best way to protect your child AND everybody else's children (read about "herd immunity" if you are interested in why this is the case). Please vaccinate your child.