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09 Feb 2013, 2:33 am

What if I mainly have the social and emotional difficulties of aspergers (interrupting conversations, not understanding jokes, sarcasm and not being able to read between the lines, no empathy), but I have no sensory issues, no repetitive behaviors, no special interests, no strict routines, and no meltdowns. Does that still put me on the spectrum? When I took the aspie quiz online, it said I have both aspie and neurotypical traits (as seen in my sig)
It doesn't really matter, I'm just curious....


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09 Feb 2013, 2:56 am

Perhaps you'd be better aligned with the new Social Communication Disorder proposed for the DSM-V. It's listed as separate from autistic spectrum disorders and is somewhat controversial. I'm not sure what I think of it.

The criteria are harder to find on the net now, but you can read a blog post about it here: http://crackingtheenigma.blogspot.co.uk ... r-new.html


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09 Feb 2013, 3:10 am

hey_there wrote:
no empathy

This is a symptom of socio/psychopathy, not AS.


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09 Feb 2013, 3:29 am

hey_there wrote:
What if I mainly have the social and emotional difficulties of aspergers (interrupting conversations, not understanding jokes, sarcasm and not being able to read between the lines, no empathy), but I have no sensory issues, no repetitive behaviors, no special interests, no strict routines, and no meltdowns. Does that still put me on the spectrum? When I took the aspie quiz online, it said I have both aspie and neurotypical traits (as seen in my sig)
It doesn't really matter, I'm just curious....



No. I think it would make you have a social communication disorder. New medical condition for people with poor social skills and communication only and lacks other ASD traits so they need a separate label. They will be no longer on the spectrum


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09 Feb 2013, 4:19 am

Filipendula wrote:
Perhaps you'd be better aligned with the new Social Communication Disorder proposed for the DSM-V. It's listed as separate from autistic spectrum disorders and is somewhat controversial. I'm not sure what I think of it.

The criteria are harder to find on the net now, but you can read a blog post about it here: http://crackingtheenigma.blogspot.co.uk ... r-new.html
Thanks for the link! :D


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09 Feb 2013, 4:45 am

hey_there wrote:
What if I mainly have the social and emotional difficulties of aspergers (interrupting conversations, not understanding jokes, sarcasm and not being able to read between the lines, no empathy), but I have no sensory issues, no repetitive behaviors, no special interests, no strict routines, and no meltdowns.

Did you have them when you were a child?
Sometimes these symptoms disappear or become less obvious over time.



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09 Feb 2013, 5:01 am

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hey_there wrote:
What if I mainly have the social and emotional difficulties of aspergers (interrupting conversations, not understanding jokes, sarcasm and not being able to read between the lines, no empathy), but I have no sensory issues, no repetitive behaviors, no special interests, no strict routines, and no meltdowns.

Did you have them when you were a child?
Sometimes these symptoms disappear or become less obvious over time.
Yes, I believe so.


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09 Feb 2013, 4:23 pm

What about not being able to tell if something is inappropriate/rude to say or do, and therefore sometimes unintentionally saying or doing rude things. Would that count as poor social skills, and also fall under the DSM 5's new "Social Communication Disorder"?


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09 Feb 2013, 5:14 pm

hey_there wrote:
Vectorspace wrote:
hey_there wrote:
What if I mainly have the social and emotional difficulties of aspergers (interrupting conversations, not understanding jokes, sarcasm and not being able to read between the lines, no empathy), but I have no sensory issues, no repetitive behaviors, no special interests, no strict routines, and no meltdowns.

Did you have them when you were a child?
Sometimes these symptoms disappear or become less obvious over time.
Yes, I believe so.


If you were being evaluated for autism, the process might involve having a parent or older sibling fill in a questionnaire regarding your behavior as a young child.



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09 Feb 2013, 7:04 pm

hey_there wrote:
What about not being able to tell if something is inappropriate/rude to say or do, and therefore sometimes unintentionally saying or doing rude things. Would that count as poor social skills, and also fall under the DSM 5's new "Social Communication Disorder"?

Perhaps. It's at least typical.

My personal, absolutely unprofessional opinion is that the criteria for ASD actually imply each other.
That is, people who have those problems with social communication that the ASD criteria describe often develop routines because they give them some safety that they otherwise don't experience.
If someone who cares little about other people but a lot about objects develops special interests, that is only logical, too.

So I think the DSM 5 authors are a bit misguided, and they confuse common consequences with actual symptoms.
In a slightly exaggerated comparison, it's like putting "inability to ride a bicycle" in the diagnosis criteria for being blind.



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12 Feb 2013, 6:12 am

Where can I find the aspie quiz...? Is it on this site or elsewhere?



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12 Feb 2013, 8:23 am

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My personal, absolutely unprofessional opinion is that the criteria for ASD actually imply each other.
That is, people who have those problems with social communication that the ASD criteria describe often develop routines because they give them some safety that they otherwise don't experience.
If someone who cares little about other people but a lot about objects develops special interests, that is only logical, too.


The problem with your theory is that there are many people with social symptoms but not repetitive, or vice versa.



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12 Feb 2013, 9:19 am

Ettina wrote:
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My personal, absolutely unprofessional opinion is that the criteria for ASD actually imply each other.
That is, people who have those problems with social communication that the ASD criteria describe often develop routines because they give them some safety that they otherwise don't experience.
If someone who cares little about other people but a lot about objects develops special interests, that is only logical, too.

The problem with your theory is that there are many people with social symptoms but not repetitive, or vice versa.

That is exactly what I wanted to address.
People with AS are likely to show non-social symptoms, but whether they do so depends on the context of their life.

Social symptoms are essential for a diagnosis, I think. There may be some that don't show them so obviously, but then that's because they actively compensate for them (which is something that should be mentioned in the criteria, too).



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12 Feb 2013, 11:17 am

Took the test and got aspie 168/200 and neurotypical 24/200. I think my brains totally messed. Has any one else gotten a high score for aspie? I haven't even been diagnosed and just discovered 4 days ago I believe I've got aspie. But finally my world makes sense. Always been on the outside and now I know why, thanks aspie.



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12 Feb 2013, 11:18 am

Took the test and got aspie 168/200 and neurotypical 24/200. I think my brains totally messed. Has any one else gotten a high score for aspie? I haven't even been diagnosed and just discovered 4 days ago I believe I've got aspie. But finally my world makes sense. Always been on the outside and now I know why, thanks aspie.



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12 Feb 2013, 12:15 pm

hey_there wrote:
What if I mainly have the social and emotional difficulties of aspergers (interrupting conversations, not understanding jokes, sarcasm and not being able to read between the lines, no empathy), but I have no sensory issues, no repetitive behaviors, no special interests, no strict routines, and no meltdowns. Does that still put me on the spectrum? When I took the aspie quiz online, it said I have both aspie and neurotypical traits (as seen in my sig)
It doesn't really matter, I'm just curious....



When I take that online test I also get ambiguous results-"you have both neurotypical and aspie traits". I get around 100/200 for each (forget my exact score).

I dont get meltdowns, and have trouble ESTABLISHING routines, but do have special interests galore, and this that and the other traits and nontriats.

But I did finally go and get the official doctor-supervised test, and was officially diagnosed as being an aspie a couple years ago. So you may still be an aspie.