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14 Nov 2013, 4:53 pm

Thousands of GIRLS may have undiagnosed autism because they can hide the signs better than boys

Figures show that boys are nine times more likely to develop the condition than girls and experts assumed this was due to genetic differences

But experts now believe girls are simply better at hiding certain symptoms - such as being able to recognise people's emotions as happy, sad or fearful

This is dangerous because left untreated, these girls may be prone to eating disorders and depression later in life

By SOPHIE BORLAND
PUBLISHED: 12:38 EST, 14 November 2013 | UPDATED: 12:39 EST, 14 November 2013

Thousands of girls may have autism that has never been diagnosed because they cover-up the signs so well, researchers believe.
Figures show that boys are nine times more likely to develop the condition than girls and experts assumed this was due to genetic differences.
But research by University College London and Bristol Universities suggests many more females may have the condition than previously because they mask the tell-tale signs.
The findings have prompted concern that girls are missing out on key treatment and therapy that is leaving them prone to eating disorders and depression later on.
Figures show that 1.8 per cent of boys have been diagnosed with an Autism Spectrum Disorder - which also includes Asperger's - compared to 0.2 per cent of girls.
Some scientists believe this is due to genetic differences between the sexes and they have found several 'flaws' in the men's genes which could trigger the condition.


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14 Nov 2013, 5:04 pm

And here is a book that claims that AS is overdiagnosed, particularly in little boys by feminists trying to criminalize and pathologize behavior that used to be considered normal for them:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C0A ... reoneve-20

Is it true? I don't know. What it does suggest is that girls being under-diagnosed is hardly established fact.



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14 Nov 2013, 5:08 pm

no more "boys will be boys"?


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14 Nov 2013, 5:12 pm

I can believe it, especially since girls may have less "stereotypical" traits. I would have flown under the radar myself if it wasn't for a bout of severe depression and feeling suicidal as a teenager.



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14 Nov 2013, 5:18 pm

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I can believe it, especially since girls may have less "stereotypical" traits. I would have flown under the radar myself if it wasn't for a bout of severe depression and feeling suicidal as a teenager.


I understand. When I was younger, between my insurance company and myself, tens of thousands of dollars were spent on a diagnosis I never received. When I did finally receive a diagnosis fifteen years later, it was during a visit to a psychiatrist over anxiety issues. I happened to ask her how she would diagnose me. She responded with a terse two-word reply: "Asperger Syndrome", and was as annoyed at that question as if I had asked her about her bathing habits.

It's not just females.



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14 Nov 2013, 5:25 pm

I don't know how I got missed. I was flat-out bizarre until about age 13. I was obsessed with history, had godawful hygiene, illegible handwriting, no friends and not much interest in having them except as someone to talk about history with and play history dress-up. I took kids literally when they were teasing me because I thought everybody always meant what they said. I made the neighborhood kids play history and opera plots with me. I chewed on my shoelaces and jacket drawstrings and pens and pencils and bit my fingernails down to the quick and danced my fingers around on my desk (still do this). All I got diagnosed with was "mild ADD".


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14 Nov 2013, 5:53 pm

My mother filled out an autism questionnaire (after diagnosis as being in denial) and except for speech-delay I had red-flag highscores in all areas.
People thought that I was just extremely shy (because apparently though I had ability to speak I never shared information as a child/teenager and now I do rarely, but now I know that people want one to share information, so I am trying, except when I talk about an area of special interest than I can over-talk a bit).


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14 Nov 2013, 6:12 pm

I actually question the assertion that girls can hide it better.

Rather, I would say that autistic behaviors are not taken as seriously in girls, and many of these behaviors are probably viewed differently because people really do view boys' behavior differently than girls' behavior.



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14 Nov 2013, 6:42 pm

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I actually question the assertion that girls can hide it better.

Rather, I would say that autistic behaviors are not taken as seriously in girls, and many of these behaviors are probably viewed differently because people really do view boys' behavior differently than girls' behavior.


Maybe it is not a question of hiding but of presentation as male and female brains differ per se as males are said to have higher systemizing qualities (SQ) and females to have higher "emotional" qualities (EQ) as females are designed to get and raise the offspring (odd thought to me).
I also read an article about 2 years ago which I cannot find at the moment as I read it at the other PC and the history is deleated from that time that the left hemisphere of a boy's brain develops slower than the left hemisphere o a girl's brain in the womb.
So maybe if one of the causes of autism would be prenatal toxic testosterone it had more time to affect the slower developping boy's left hemisphere and maybe causing more pronounced symptoms in different areas (as speech?).

Still autism presents different in every affected person.

I also read an article that if a girl finally gets diagnosed with autism she is affected mostly quite severe and more severe than in boys.


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14 Nov 2013, 6:46 pm

I was very shy and mute for 10 yrs of my childhood, how I didnt get diagnosed, I dont know. I didnt get the diagnosis till I was 18 and no longer mute and pretty much knew nothing socially.



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14 Nov 2013, 7:06 pm

Thelibrarian wrote:
And here is a book that claims that AS is overdiagnosed, particularly in little boys by feminists trying to criminalize and pathologize behavior that used to be considered normal for them:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C0A ... reoneve-20

Is it true? I don't know. What it does suggest is that girls being under-diagnosed is hardly established fact.


I don't know how I missed this.

It is an established fact. It's understood by anyone who follows current research. That book does not represent an equal but opposite opinion. The underdiagnosis is understood to be fact, and that book is nothing more than anti-feminist backlash propaganda.



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14 Nov 2013, 7:11 pm

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I actually question the assertion that girls can hide it better.

Rather, I would say that autistic behaviors are not taken as seriously in girls, and many of these behaviors are probably viewed differently because people really do view boys' behavior differently than girls' behavior.


Maybe it is not a question of hiding but of presentation as male and female brains differ per se as males are said to have higher systemizing qualities (SQ) and females to have higher "emotional" qualities (EQ) as females are designed to get and raise the offspring (odd thought to me).


I am dubious about this theory, and about the person who advanced it (Simon Baron-Cohen). The SQ/EQ tests do not measure either systemizing or empathy (not emotional) so much as measure things that tend to be scored higher or lower depending upon gender, and scored a particular way if one is autistic.

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I also read an article that if a girl finally gets diagnosed with autism she is affected mostly quite severe and more severe than in boys.


Yes, because girls and women who are assessed for autism are not taken as seriously as boys and men.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/ ... 100410.php

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When girls with symptoms of autism or ADHD seek professional medical help, their problems are often played down or misinterpreted, and there is a real risk that they will not get the help or support they need. As such, more training is needed in this area, particularly in the public sector, reveals a thesis from the University of Gothenburg.

The thesis focuses primarily on 100 girls who, before reaching adulthood, went to the doctor on account of difficulties with social interaction and/or concentration at school or elsewhere. They were then referred to the paediatric neuropsychiatric clinic at Sahlgrenska University Hospital between 1999 and 2001.

"We could see that their parents had been concerned about the girls' behaviour or development during their first few years of life," says Svenny Kopp, a doctoral student at the Institute of Neuroscience and Physiology at the Sahlgrenska Academy, and consultant paediatric psychiatrist at the Queen Silvia Children's Hospital. "They had also asked for help at an early stage, but hadn't been given a proper diagnosis."

When subsequently given a thorough psychiatric and psychological examination, nearly half of the girls proved to have autism or other autism spectrum disorders, and just as many had ADHD as their main diagnosis. Compared with the control group of 60 girls without any known serious problems, the 100 girls' performance was severely impaired in all areas studied, including psychological, motor and social function.

It also emerged that the girls with autism and ADHD had additional psychiatric and developmental neurological disorders. For example, anxiety, depression, social behaviour

disorders and difficulties reading and writing were common in both groups. Half of the girls with autism spectrum disorders or ADHD had been bullied, were frequently truant and avoided sport at school. The study also showed that girls with ADHD smoked more frequently and more overall than the control group.

"The results are particularly disturbing given that these girls did not generally have a disadvantaged social background and were mostly of normal intelligence," says Kopp.

She concludes that the healthcare system does not take girls with symptoms of autism or ADHD seriously enough."It's a shame as we now have effective treatments for both autism and ADHD. We therefore need more training across the public sector on girls with mental problems, social interaction difficulties and/or attention problems," she stresses.



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14 Nov 2013, 7:28 pm

Verdandi wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
And here is a book that claims that AS is overdiagnosed, particularly in little boys by feminists trying to criminalize and pathologize behavior that used to be considered normal for them:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C0A ... reoneve-20

Is it true? I don't know. What it does suggest is that girls being under-diagnosed is hardly established fact.


I don't know how I missed this.

It is an established fact. It's understood by anyone who follows current research. That book does not represent an equal but opposite opinion. The underdiagnosis is understood to be fact, and that book is nothing more than anti-feminist backlash propaganda.


Unless and until you can provide me with documented proof from a legitimate, non-feminist source, I will assume that your position is one of Politically Correct faith rather than fact.



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14 Nov 2013, 7:33 pm

Thelibrarian wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
And here is a book that claims that AS is overdiagnosed, particularly in little boys by feminists trying to criminalize and pathologize behavior that used to be considered normal for them:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C0A ... reoneve-20

Is it true? I don't know. What it does suggest is that girls being under-diagnosed is hardly established fact.


I don't know how I missed this.

It is an established fact. It's understood by anyone who follows current research. That book does not represent an equal but opposite opinion. The underdiagnosis is understood to be fact, and that book is nothing more than anti-feminist backlash propaganda.


Unless and until you can provide me with documented proof from a legitimate, non-feminist source, I will assume that your position is one of Politically Correct faith rather than fact.


Are you equating legitimacy with anti-feminism?



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14 Nov 2013, 7:39 pm

pleasekillme wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
And here is a book that claims that AS is overdiagnosed, particularly in little boys by feminists trying to criminalize and pathologize behavior that used to be considered normal for them:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C0A ... reoneve-20

Is it true? I don't know. What it does suggest is that girls being under-diagnosed is hardly established fact.


I don't know how I missed this.

It is an established fact. It's understood by anyone who follows current research. That book does not represent an equal but opposite opinion. The underdiagnosis is understood to be fact, and that book is nothing more than anti-feminist backlash propaganda.


Unless and until you can provide me with documented proof from a legitimate, non-feminist source, I will assume that your position is one of Politically Correct faith rather than fact.


Are you equating legitimacy with anti-feminism?


Obviously, if a feminist says something it doesn't become untrue. But feminists, as with communists, do have a tortured relationship with the truth. For example, it recently came out that more men are raped than women if prisoners are taken into account. Therefore, while what a feminist says may not be false, I must insist on sources with a better reputation.



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14 Nov 2013, 7:41 pm

Thelibrarian wrote:
pleasekillme wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
And here is a book that claims that AS is overdiagnosed, particularly in little boys by feminists trying to criminalize and pathologize behavior that used to be considered normal for them:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C0A ... reoneve-20

Is it true? I don't know. What it does suggest is that girls being under-diagnosed is hardly established fact.


I don't know how I missed this.

It is an established fact. It's understood by anyone who follows current research. That book does not represent an equal but opposite opinion. The underdiagnosis is understood to be fact, and that book is nothing more than anti-feminist backlash propaganda.


Unless and until you can provide me with documented proof from a legitimate, non-feminist source, I will assume that your position is one of Politically Correct faith rather than fact.


Are you equating legitimacy with anti-feminism?


Obviously, if a feminist says something it doesn't become untrue. But feminists, as with communists, do have a tortured relationship with the truth. For example, it recently came out that more men are raped than women if prisoners are taken into account. Therefore, while what a feminist says may not be false, I must insist on sources with a better reputation.


I think a prime candidate for such dismissal would be the right-wing libertarian.