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I don't trust vaccines at all and I avoided the swine flu shot back in 2010.

5 years on a large number of children in Europe have autoimmune disease and the official cause is the swine flu shot.

I have no doubt Autism runs in families but I think mercury laced vaccines shot into young children can push their immune system over the edge.

Also I firmly believe intestinal and digestive problems are another big factor in Autism maybe not every case but many cases.

As soon as I hit the post button here I am going off to find some heartburn tables I have it bad today.

IMO the vaccine view is controversial because there is no hard evidence that would suggest a connection, however I understand your lack of trust concerning them given your experience.

I believe that a gut-connection view of autism is controversial because some people are worried that they may lose their identity should the connection ever be verified and treated, perhaps lessening autistic symptoms.

We are told an autistic brain is wired different to an NT brain.

So even if our guts could be fixed or brains are as they are now.

I feel the benefits of vaccines outweigh the potential risks.

Read up on the polio epidemic, and how polio cases went down from about 55,000 a year in 1954, to virtually none by 1962--owing to the Salk and Sabin vaccines (especially the Sabin oral vaccine).

What should be regulated is the type of preservative people put in vaccines. Obviously, as they travel over long distances over many days, preservatives are needed. The problems arise because of the nature of the vaccine preservatives--not the vaccines themselves.

My mother declined the polio vaccine in my behalf when I was a child after the news of Vaccine-Induced Polio injuries were reported ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vac ... uced_polio ). Aside from the original, clean MMR and a couple of measle vaccines, I have only agreed to the Hep-B and Hep-A vaccines. I see little need for any others.

But, I amn't opposed to vaccines, per se. In fact, I respect others who choose to accept them. I just wish that others would respect me when I choose to decline them. There is a huge dichotomy.

Finally, I am 100-percent opposed to forcible vaccinations. Apart from a declared state or federal disaster or emergency which warrants such vaccinations, I believe that forcible vaccinations are anathema to American jurisprudence. The logic of my opinion was described aptly, if simply, yesterday ( https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2015 ... lose-15000 ).

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I can understand that viewpoint from a libertarian standpoint...and from a democratic (not Democratic) one as well. One has the right to refuse, provided, like you said, there's no health emergency.

I just wish I could get rid of that sinking feeling that mass vaccine refusal will cause many dormant diseases to reveal themselves.

I forgot to ask:

How are things, Shark Attack?

I miss it when you post.

Thank you, kraftiekortie. The libertarian in me realizes that I might be making a mistake. But, that also is my responsibility. No one else's. I accept the risks involved just as I did when I accepted vaccinations themselves. If I die as a result of my deliberate acts (however mistaken), at least I won't die as a result of doing nothing and believing what others told me to do.

I doubt there will be any resurgence of diseases. After all, there were relatively few vaccines in use prior to the 1960s. No weird diseases occurred then, so why would they now?

Measles has made a mild-moderate resurgence recently.

When I was growing up, even though the measles vaccine was developed in 1963, it was considered a "normal childhood disease." In every case study I read dated from the 1950's, all kids had "the usual childhood diseases" (i.e., measles, mumps, chicken pox). They weren't considered a big deal.

Then, starting in the 1980s or so, you hardly ever heard about cases of measles.

However, over the past ten years or so, there have been numerous measles outbreaks (though mostly relatively minor ones). It has been attributed to people becoming lax about getting vaccinated.

In my state, at least, laws provides that unvaccinated individuals may still choose to decline vaccination if they agree to self-quarantine. Being isolated from the world is my life almost everyday (with the disposable couple of hours every few days with friends). I could self-quarantine without noticing a difference.

My sister is the PIO for our county health department. She cringes when I explain my possible self-quarantine plans, but she recognizes that it is a lawful option.

Yes, it has. But, as you mentioned, the "outbreaks" were minor and involved relatively few individuals. If we at Wrong Planet doubt ASD research with so few subjects routinely, shouldn't we do the same with the official conclusions of these outbreaks?

Autism has never run in my family. I am the only one who has autism. My mother made sure that I got all my shots when I was a kid because of the sicknesses in my family's past. BTW: I got my shots back in the 1970's, back when thimerosal was used. So if you ask me. Yes I have a valid reason to believe that vaccines can cause autism. On a brighter note. I have never had any major sicknesses in my entire life and my system tend to fend off the flu quite easily.

I believe that if more research is done concerning vaccine preservatives, then people would object less strenuously to vaccines.

Ask anybody in a "Third World" country about vaccines, and you'll get many responses, with little variation, stating that they are "lifesavers."

My wife is from Trinidad and Tobago (not quite "Third World")--and she has an overriding admiration for vaccines.

Aside from a case of very serious food poisoning 18 years ago, I normally get a cold once every two years; I am pretty good at preventing or preempting it. That is it.

Yep! For me, this is true. For my brother with Guillain–Barré Syndrome, he would still need to be wary.

Turmeric helps with heartburn naturally. Yellow mustard will work as well since they use turmeric as an ingredient to give it it's yellow color.