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26 Nov 2017, 6:11 pm

Is that just part of an artificial diagnostic construct? Are things really that set in stone?


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26 Nov 2017, 6:27 pm

Symptoms are what you experience. Signs are what others can observe. I suspect you're talking about signs here, since it would be very hard to know what the toddler is actually experiencing.
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Anyway, here's a test intended to be taken by parents on behalf of of toddlers aged 16 months to 30 months:
https://autismcanada.org/about-autism/d ... s/toddler/

I think it would be pretty hard to know anything before the age of 16 months.


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26 Nov 2017, 6:59 pm

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Symptoms are what you experience. Signs are what others can observe. I suspect you're talking about signs here, since it would be very hard to know what the toddler is actually experiencing.
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From an observational POV- yes. Talking about symptoms ;at what point do we become aware of their applicability to us ? Can you really know that your behaviour before a certain age was indicative of anything , or is the attribution of symptoms to yourself before a certain age very much a case of hindsight?


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26 Nov 2017, 7:56 pm

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Talking about symptoms ;at what point do we become aware of their applicability to us ? Can you really know that your behaviour before a certain age was indicative of anything , or is the attribution of symptoms to yourself before a certain age very much a case of hindsight?

I had no clue that my behaviour was indicative of Asperger's until age 36.
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Looking back at my childhood, the first event that I can recall that would be indicative of Asperger's would be at age 5. I can think of quite a bit after age 5, but nothing before that.

I definitely have memories younger than age 5, but nothing that I would in any way associate with Asperger's.


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26 Nov 2017, 8:34 pm

I think that things should really be taken on a case by case basis, but I think I showed symptoms/signs at a young age. Some things I experienced include motor delays, perseveration (at 11 months), stimming, an inability to be comforted by comfort objects or caregivers, and rigid routines/rituals.

I didn't think that the early developmental period was necessarily before the age of 2-3, either, or that it was required for diagnosis. Where did you hear that from?


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26 Nov 2017, 9:08 pm

StampySquiddyFan wrote:
I think that things should really be taken on a case by case basis, but I think I showed symptoms/signs at a young age.
I think I heard that one of the criteria is that signs should be present by age 5, but clearly if there is a screening test for toddlers, it must be visible in at least some cases as you suggest.

I have no idea whether I had signs before the age of 5; you'd have to ask my parents.
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26 Nov 2017, 9:12 pm

SplendidSnail wrote:
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
I think that things should really be taken on a case by case basis, but I think I showed symptoms/signs at a young age.
I think I heard that the criteria is that signs should be present by age 5.

I have no idea whether I had signs before the age of 5; you'd have to ask my parents.
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Wow, that is interesting! I never really know how to interpret what the “early developmental period” actually is. What exactly happens if you don’t have someone who remembers your development as a young child? Would you not get diagnosed? :D


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26 Nov 2017, 9:18 pm

StampySquiddyFan wrote:
Wow, that is interesting! I never really know how to interpret what the “early developmental period” actually is. What exactly happens if you don’t have someone who remembers your development as a young child? Would you not get diagnosed? :D

It's a good question. For me, during my assessment, the psychologist said he'd like to talk to my parents, but he also said that if I didn't want them to know I was being assessed, he could probably make do without talking to them. I'd already discussed the possibility with my parents, so I had no problem with him talking to them.

It would suggest, though, that it's not strictly mandatory. Maybe the assessment is just weaker without this and more likely to be overturned later?


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26 Nov 2017, 9:27 pm

SplendidSnail wrote:
StampySquiddyFan wrote:
Wow, that is interesting! I never really know how to interpret what the “early developmental period” actually is. What exactly happens if you don’t have someone who remembers your development as a young child? Would you not get diagnosed? :D

It's a good question. For me, during my assessment, the psychologist said he'd like to talk to my parents, but he also said that if I didn't want them to know I was being assessed, he could probably make do without talking to them. I'd already discussed the possibility with my parents, so I had no problem with him talking to them.

It would suggest, though, that it's not strictly mandatory. Maybe the assessment is just weaker without this and more likely to be overturned later?


Yeah, it has honestly been the same with me, although my mom was always there with me so there wasn’t really any question about the psychologist talking to her. It seems like you can be diagnosed without knowing your early development, and like you said, without it the assessment is just weaker? Is the place where the OP lives reluctant to diagnose unless there are signs before the age of 2? It is confusing. We need a psychologist here to answer these kinds of questions :D !


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26 Nov 2017, 9:31 pm

BTW, don't trust what I said about signs having to have been present by age 5. I'm not sure whether I actually heard this (and if I did it probably wasn't from a reliable source) or whether I deduced it from my assessment, which states that the signs were "noted before the age of 5".


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26 Nov 2017, 9:44 pm

Whoops, sorry about that! I accidentally posted this twice.


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26 Nov 2017, 9:45 pm

SplendidSnail wrote:
BTW, don't trust what I said about signs having to have been present by age 5. I'm not sure whether I actually heard this (and if I did it probably wasn't from a reliable source) or whether I deduced it from my assessment, which states that the signs were "noted before the age of 5".


That’s okay- you just heard it from somewhere, and it is great to know, just out of curiousity and personal interest :D ! Believe me, I’m no expert, but it is always cool to learn about other people’s experiences!


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26 Nov 2017, 10:38 pm

Many people with classic autism exhibit overt symptoms during the toddler years (from 1-3 years old age). I certainly did. Sometimes, symptoms show up before 1 year of age.

Aspergers was not usually diagnosed before 5 years of age, until recently. Symptoms usually must be present in the preschool years. It seems like it's becoming more common to diagnose Aspergers during the preschool years



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26 Nov 2017, 11:00 pm

They knew something was up by the time I was a year old. I was officially diagnosed before I turned 3.

From my pov I knew I had issues pretty early on. Mostly from overhearing what was being said about me and comparing myself to my cousin who's the same age as me.



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26 Nov 2017, 11:25 pm

I can remember back to about age 2, and I definitely experienced symptoms of my autism. I hated being touched and fed - I couldn't stand having something stuck in my mouth - it felt overwhelming and like I was going to choke. I would spit the food and cry and seriously want to bite! I was a biter! :twisted: My older sister would lightly touch the backs of my arms and my forehead and use a cool moist facecloth on my face and I could tolerate that, otherwise the only thing that felt OK was the warmth of our kitty who would curl up next to me. Sharp sounds were almost painful to me, although people's voices were OK - mostly I heard the feelings of the person speaking. I would have meltdowns/tantrums where I just wanted everything to go away including my own body and I'd end up hitting myself some, although not like intentional self-injury - those were pretty awful. By the time I was 3 I was in a program for kids with developmental problems for a year and I learned to understand what was being said, although I couldn't yet speak. I don't think I've ever felt any feeling as intensely as the rawness and rage I had between ages 2 and 3. And there was amazing beauty when I was about 2 years old - I just loved the sounds of birds outside - the bird-song was like a beautiful part of me calling from my core.



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27 Nov 2017, 7:43 am

I had no obvious signs until age 10.

My symptoms are too subtile before of that age, and I do have symptoms before age 5. Signs that are supposedly visible are dismissed or passed as something typical for a child, or regarded something a bit odd yet acceptable if not overlooked.
But, I didn't had much problems then. I got diagnosed when I seriously did start having problems, and so are those around me...


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