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28 Sep 2020, 3:19 pm

Hi Wrong Planet community!

Long time lurker, first time poster here. I am a writer (of novels, none published yet) and after being diagnosed with autism at age 30, I decided I wanted to write a novel in which the protagonist is a teenage girl on the spectrum, because I think it would be good to have more depictions of autistic people (especially girls) in fiction.

I know I can write to my experience of being on the spectrum and what that means to me, but I'd love to try to make this book speak to as many people as possible, so I want your thoughts on what autism means to you! We're all so different but when I try to distill autism down to one thing that unites all our tribe members, I keep coming back to that feeling of otherness. The certain feeling that you are innately, unalterably different from most everyone else around you. The feeling of being a foreigner in your own country, or an alien on the wrong planet. :wink: Do you agree with this? What does it feel like to you? What feelings or experiences do you think are core to the autistic/aspergers experience? Are there certain things you'd like to see from a book narrated by someone on the spectrum?

I know that's a pretty big question, or like multiple questions, but I'd also love to hear any little moment or experience that feels, for lack of a better term, really autistic to you. My friend and I call them aspie moments, like totally missing sarcasm and replying earnestly. Or when I'm zoning out listening to music and suddenly realize I've been standing in my dark closet with my headphones on, swaying silently back and forth for who knows how long. Things like that where you go, well that was really aspie. I'd love to hear about those little moments that define autism for you as well.

Thank you in advance for sharing!



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28 Sep 2020, 3:34 pm

I and research would agree that being an alien/outsider is the common feeling among autistics. You can kind of recognize the person on the spectrum as they shine when they hit their special interest, as if the world is a magical place. NTs seem a bit dull in that regard. But I find the world an endlessly fascinating place and just like to dive in and learn. I think the worst and subtlest rejection from NTs is not being able to appreciate the splendor of life around us and reacting as if that fascination is silly or stupid. It is a relentless rejection starting in childhood and neverending.

I was diagnosed a couple of months ago--at the age of 56. I am part of a lost generation where autism had not been invented and so we could not have been discovered in childhood. So I am unsure of my autistic moments, at least not those that are unique to me. I have the typical things like not reciprocating in conversations. But the fascinating thing about the diagnosis is that a fog has lifted on my past and I can clearly see many of the drivers in my life.



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28 Sep 2020, 3:58 pm

I love the idea of your special interest making the world a magical place! That's a great way to describe it; it really does feel like that, and I do light up when I talk about mine. Even though no one wants to listen, lol. So yes, I think rejection is probably a common theme in autistic's lives.

And I had the same experience when I figured out I was on the spectrum - like a lightbulb moment where I could clearly see the why behind so many things in my past or the way that I am. Like the answer to the question I didn't know I was asking.



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28 Sep 2020, 4:16 pm

This is a research article and so is a bit dry, but it does give some insight to the experience of undiagnosed adults:

Living with autism without knowing: receiving a diagnosis in later life



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28 Sep 2020, 4:29 pm

JoanWilder wrote:
Hi Wrong Planet community!

Long time lurker, first time poster here. I am a writer (of novels, none published yet) and after being diagnosed with autism at age 30, I decided I wanted to write a novel in which the protagonist is a teenage girl on the spectrum, because I think it would be good to have more depictions of autistic people (especially girls) in fiction.

I know I can write to my experience of being on the spectrum and what that means to me, but I'd love to try to make this book speak to as many people as possible, so I want your thoughts on what autism means to you! We're all so different but when I try to distill autism down to one thing that unites all our tribe members, I keep coming back to that feeling of otherness. The certain feeling that you are innately, unalterably different from most everyone else around you. The feeling of being a foreigner in your own country, or an alien on the wrong planet. :wink: Do you agree with this? What does it feel like to you? What feelings or experiences do you think are core to the autistic/aspergers experience? Are there certain things you'd like to see from a book narrated by someone on the spectrum?

I know that's a pretty big question, or like multiple questions, but I'd also love to hear any little moment or experience that feels, for lack of a better term, really autistic to you. My friend and I call them aspie moments, like totally missing sarcasm and replying earnestly. Or when I'm zoning out listening to music and suddenly realize I've been standing in my dark closet with my headphones on, swaying silently back and forth for who knows how long. Things like that where you go, well that was really aspie. I'd love to hear about those little moments that define autism for you as well.

Thank you in advance for sharing!
Are you asking for our help in writing your book?


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28 Sep 2020, 4:43 pm

Fnord - Yes! I can speak to my experience as an autistic person, but I want to make sure the book speaks to more than just me, that it speaks to other autistic people and represents their views and experiences as well. I've read a lot of WP threads and that's helped I think, but yeah just trying to get a wider response pool on what the autistic experience means to you. No plotting or drafting help needed though, lol.

Jiheisho - Thanks! This line really stuck out at me from the article: "The inability to ‘fit in’ was endured until it became untenable." YES. Exactly that!



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28 Sep 2020, 4:47 pm

JoanWilder wrote:
...I want your thoughts on what autism means to you!...I keep coming back to that feeling of otherness...Do you agree with this?......


Disclaimer: I am a guy.

But why would I turn down an excuse to talk about myself???

I was born in 1954 and diagnosed shortly before my 65th birthday so I went through life not knowing I was officially different. I'd say I early came to the realization that the world seemed to have decided to be unpleasant for me but it wasn't til I was in my 50s that I suspected there might be some fundamental, diagnosable difference. Before that I thought it might be because of IQ (I'm in Mensa) and, later, also because I was a strong INTJ. I would have immediately rejected a suggestion that I was autistic until life hit me with a really big clue in early 2019.

Yes, I did feel separate from everyone else, though I might not have consciously realized it til adulthood.

If I had to describe the experience I would've gone with a comparison to the old Twilight Zone series, but after my diagnosis my bride told me about WP and I immediately thought it was also an excellent description of my life.


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28 Sep 2020, 4:48 pm

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Fnord - Yes! I can speak to my experience as an autistic person, but I want to make sure the book speaks to more than just me, that it speaks to other autistic people and represents their views and experiences as well. I've read a lot of WP threads and that's helped I think, but yeah just trying to get a wider response pool on what the autistic experience means to you. No plotting or drafting help needed though, lol.


As much as each of us can provide more to flesh out a generic representation, would a genericized take be any more realistic or relatable than a more personalized one? Just curious, not suggesting your approach isn't the correct one.


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28 Sep 2020, 4:58 pm

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As much as each of us can provide more to flesh out a generic representation, would a genericized take be any more realistic or relatable than a more personalized one? Just curious, not suggesting your approach isn't the correct one.


I think the main character in the book will end up having a lot of "me" in her, if that makes sense, even if I give her some traits that I don't have, or a slightly different world view. I've written novels before and while the main character was fictional and not exactly me, she had a lot of "me" to her, like how with any kind of art you put part of your soul into it. And yeah I wasn't sure if this would really change too much of how I think of the main character but figured it couldn't hurt to ask and get some other people's views!



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28 Sep 2020, 5:01 pm

JoanWilder wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
As much as each of us can provide more to flesh out a generic representation, would a genericized take be any more realistic or relatable than a more personalized one? Just curious, not suggesting your approach isn't the correct one.


I think the main character in the book will end up having a lot of "me" in her, if that makes sense, even if I give her some traits that I don't have, or a slightly different world view. I've written novels before and while the main character was fictional and not exactly me, she had a lot of "me" to her, like how with any kind of art you put part of your soul into it. And yeah I wasn't sure if this would really change too much of how I think of the main character but figured it couldn't hurt to ask and get some other people's views!


It's still good, since let's face it, sometimes someone might have experienced a more useful anecdote for your story and you can always write it to match how you'd respond instead.

I'd like to write a novel at some point, I've got loads of notes and planning documents, but yet... still no novel. The fact that you've already written one makes me pretty interested to see how this one turns out, as you work on it. :nerdy:


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28 Sep 2020, 5:03 pm

JoanWilder wrote:
Fnord - Yes! I can speak to my experience as an autistic person, but I want to make sure the book speaks to more than just me, that it speaks to other autistic people and represents their views and experiences as well. I've read a lot of WP threads and that's helped I think, but yeah just trying to get a wider response pool on what the autistic experience means to you. No plotting or drafting help needed though.
Did you also ask the owner of this website for permission to solicit participation in your project on this website?

If you have permission, how much do you intend to compensate us for our participation?

One thing that many of us "aspies" have had to deal with is being taken advantage of for someone else's benefit.


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28 Sep 2020, 5:11 pm

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It's still good, since let's face it, sometimes someone might have experienced a more useful anecdote for your story and you can always write it to match how you'd respond instead.

I'd like to write a novel at some point, I've got loads of notes and planning documents, but yet... still no novel. The fact that you've already written one makes me pretty interested to see how this one turns out, as you work on it. :nerdy:


Thanks! I found it helpful to sort of make the novel your obsession when you're working on it, so you're always living in that world. And make a scheduled time specifically for writing so it actually gets done. I'll have to post again on here when I finish the book!



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Fnord wrote:
JoanWilder wrote:
Fnord - Yes! I can speak to my experience as an autistic person, but I want to make sure the book speaks to more than just me, that it speaks to other autistic people and represents their views and experiences as well. I've read a lot of WP threads and that's helped I think, but yeah just trying to get a wider response pool on what the autistic experience means to you. No plotting or drafting help needed though.
Did you also ask the owner of this website for permission to solicit participation in your project on this website?

If you have permission, how much do you intend to compensate us for our participation?

One thing that many of us "aspies" have had to deal with is being taken advantage of for someone else's benefit.


How much compensation would be appropriate for getting a bunch of people who love talking about themselves to talk about themselves? Has any compensation been promised? Assume if not, none is intended. If those terms are unacceptable you don't have to participate in the thread and chase off yet another new poster.


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28 Sep 2020, 5:12 pm

Joan, welcome. I am happy to have you here and I don't mind you asking about our experiences. As someone familiar with the creative arts, I am happy for your to reach out and do research.

BTW, you may find TEDx talks really good inspiration:



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JoanWilder wrote:
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It's still good, since let's face it, sometimes someone might have experienced a more useful anecdote for your story and you can always write it to match how you'd respond instead.

I'd like to write a novel at some point, I've got loads of notes and planning documents, but yet... still no novel. The fact that you've already written one makes me pretty interested to see how this one turns out, as you work on it. :nerdy:


Thanks! I found it helpful to sort of make the novel your obsession when you're working on it, so you're always living in that world. And make a scheduled time specifically for writing so it actually gets done. I'll have to post again on here when I finish the book!


That's a good idea. When I work on creative projects I think about them and keep notes at work, basically taking that otherwise wasted portion of my day and reclaiming it for my own interests. Of course if I was 'living in that world' I might not be dressed suitable for work, you know, what with it being fantasy and all.


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28 Sep 2020, 5:15 pm

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Did you also ask the owner of this website for permission to solicit participation in your project on this website?

If you have permission, how much do you intend to compensate us for our participation?

One thing that many of us "aspies" have had to deal with is being taken advantage of for someone else's benefit.[/color]


1. No. Did not think this was necessary.
2. Not at all, just good vibes sent your way!
3. Yes I know, I am aspie! You don't have to tell me your thoughts if you don't want to.