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20 Nov 2007, 4:02 pm

She's got a very simple way of turning things around with 4 questions of self-inquiry. This could be a boon to Aspies who want to move through issues. Simple, effective and miraculous.


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20 Nov 2007, 4:35 pm

Nope, do you have any links? :D


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20 Nov 2007, 6:41 pm

alei wrote:
Nope, do you have any links? :D
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7axzeexxgT8[/youtube]


There are so many more on YouTube and at www.TheWork.com and www.ByronKatie.com


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20 Nov 2007, 7:24 pm

Really neat stuff. I never heard of her before.


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20 Nov 2007, 7:56 pm

So, what are the four questions?



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21 Nov 2007, 2:16 pm

I was invited to a workshop given by her, and I was sure it'd be ridiculous. But I had to go, not to disappoint the person who invited me. It turned out to be a wonderful workshop, and it really affected my life for the better. When you accept that everything that is, just is - and if something happens then it's supposed to happen, you develop an inner peace that's hard for me to describe here.


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21 Nov 2007, 2:31 pm

ev8 wrote:
So, what are the four questions?


They're here. It's kinda serious work.

http://www.thework.com/FourQuestions.asp


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21 Nov 2007, 2:33 pm

Greentea wrote:
I was invited to a workshop given by her, and I was sure it'd be ridiculous. But I had to go, not to disappoint the person who invited me. It turned out to be a wonderful workshop, and it really affected my life for the better. When you accept that everything that is, just is - and if something happens then it's supposed to happen, you develop an inner peace that's hard for me to describe here.


I'm just getting into it now, though someone told me about the work in 99 - believe it or not - I just got around to listening now. It's really amazing. It's like you're flipping over reality and seeing the other side for the first time and it's like OMG - this is IT. I crave inner peace - and this looks like the ticket.....


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21 Nov 2007, 2:35 pm

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... and if something happens then it's supposed to happen, you develop an inner peace that's hard for me to describe here.


If so, I would probably differ with certain aspects of the presentation. To me, saying, "If something happens, it is supposed to happen," is speculative philosophy. Personally, I try to accept what happens without making any unnecessary leaps of faith.

It reminds me of a telephone discussion I recently had with my sister. We were talking about our parents (one of whom is deceased). In reference to some of their emotionally abusive behavior:

Sister: They did the best they could.

Me: How do you know that?

Sister: Because, if they did not do the best they could, it would be like saying they were evil.

Me: How do you know that? Do you always do the best you can? I know I don't.

My sister seemed to get my point. I don't usually see a need for excessive quess work.


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21 Nov 2007, 2:45 pm

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Greentea wrote:
... and if something happens then it's supposed to happen, you develop an inner peace that's hard for me to describe here.


If so, I would probably differ with certain aspects of the presentation. To me, saying, "If something happens, it is supposed to happen," is speculative philosophy. Personally, I try to accept what happens without making any unnecessary leaps of faith.

It reminds me of a telephone discussion I recently had with my sister. We were talking about our parents (one of whom is deceased). In reference to some of their emotionally abusive behavior:

Sister: They did the best they could.

Me: How do you know that?

Sister: Because, if they did not do the best they could, it would be like saying they were evil.

Me: How do you know that? Do you always do the best you can? I know I don't.

My sister seemed to get my point. I don't usually see a need for excessive quess work.


I think the way this works is that the person doing the work literally steps aside and allows reality to unfold the way it will, with people doing their thing, issues coming and going, but the person maintaining an awareness of ok - what if I looked at it from it's polar opposite perspective, turned around the problem to not focus on the *problem* but on how I'm perceiving the problem to be.

So - any reaction you'd be having to your sister, could be examined - taken apart and have the inquiry turn the perspective around - to where are you absolutely certain that x,y, and z are happening - what are you feeling, who would you be without this story then turning the original scenario around to where bottom it up and up is bottom and then looking at it so it no longer resembles the original conflict.....and you kinda get a lot free-er as a result of having done this new kind of *seeing* and you let your sister/s and ultimately yourself off the hook....


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21 Nov 2007, 3:10 pm

It's like pyramid selling; so long as enough people around you don't yet "do the work" , the method works. You and the few others in your area engaging in it can feel superior and enlightened in comparison to those who "haven't got it" yet.
Her reaction to the "hip guy" made herself look great, and him look stupid. ( he may not mind at this point that she doesn't take him seriously .)
It is powerful stuff. So long as you're still being trained and encouraged and "hugged" by the group and its leaders/teachers, and so long as you're a small group actively engaged in it, learning and teaching it to others, what a rush ! ! But unless your partner or close friends agree to learn it too you will find yourself doing to them what she does to that guy, OR feeling miserable and inadequate because it doesn't seem to be working ( because you haven't got the pyramid structure to practise it in which makes it work).
It is dangerous "logic" too, about truth, and leads to an "absolute relativity "of values in which Hitlers truths are as valid as Ghandhis.
Be careful.
I got involved with a personal development programme in 1996 called "The Life Training", now called "More to Life", and went on several of their "courses", whose "processes", "steps"etc resemble very closely those of Byron Katies method.
They used to say "It works, IF you do the work." The thought police came to stay for the next 7 years. I threw them out in 2004, and it felt literally like throwing up.
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21 Nov 2007, 3:38 pm

That's not accurate because this is work that you do entirely on your own without the need for anyone else to support you. So I'd have to say you're way off where you're coming from on this. It's not even close to a *scheme*, lol. It's simply learning to see things objectively without the drama and accepting life on its own terms. Its truthfully freedom, if you really want to know. Nobody is selling you anything - everything you need to do the work is free and available on the web through sites and vids. Books and other media are optional to purchase - if you like. That's it. 4 simple questions you ask yourself. You go deep into the Truth and you come out a bit wiser and a little less hurt. That's a big thing. And it's free.


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It's like pyramid selling; so long as enough people around you don't yet "do the work" , the method works. You and the few others in your area engaging in it can feel superior and enlightened in comparison to those who "haven't got it" yet.
Her reaction to the "hip guy" made herself look great, and him look stupid. ( he may not mind at this point that she doesn't take him seriously .)
It is powerful stuff. So long as you're still being trained and encouraged and "hugged" by the group and its leaders/teachers, and so long as you're a small group actively engaged in it, learning and teaching it to others, what a rush ! ! But unless your partner or close friends agree to learn it too you will find yourself doing to them what she does to that guy, OR feeling miserable and inadequate because it doesn't seem to be working ( because you haven't got the pyramid structure to practise it in which makes it work).
It is dangerous "logic" too, about truth, and leads to an "absolute relativity "of values in which Hitlers truths are as valid as Ghandhis.
Be careful.
I got involved with a personal development programme in 1996 called "The Life Training", now called "More to Life", and went on several of their "courses", whose "processes", "steps"etc resemble very closely those of Byron Katies method.
They used to say "It works, IF you do the work." The thought police came to stay for the next 7 years. I threw them out in 2004, and it felt literally like throwing up.
8)


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21 Nov 2007, 3:44 pm

So the groups she mentioned are free? There's no introductory course to attend to acquire the basic principles?

Just looked; there are lots , ranging from $75 to $4,190 for the full whammy course at "The School".

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21 Nov 2007, 3:45 pm

ouinon wrote:
So the groups she mentioned are free? There's no introductory course to attend to acquire the basic principles?

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No.
It's
Free.
Imagine.
That.
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21 Nov 2007, 3:50 pm

The workshop I attended that she led was free. And it was 2 days all day. She had tapes and books to sell, though, and I bought one.

I've been to tons and tons of workshops and stuff, but her method really spoke to me.


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21 Nov 2007, 3:50 pm

So the workshops, " Living in Joy" at $299, the one-day courses for $75 and the long list of events timetabled all over for the next 18 months, with her or other facilitators from the programme as trainers, at similar prices, are absolutely unnecessary to the work.
And " The School for the Work" the fundamental core course of the programme, (all nine days of intensive "work") at $4,190; that's not important either?
Noone is going to feel that perhaps to "do the work" well or better they should pay for one of these courses; I wonder what the point of them is then. What do they offer that the free stuff doesn't?

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