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NeantHumain
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27 Aug 2005, 12:09 am

Today I had a BONSAI meeting with Sophist and Donnie. It went pretty well, but I exhibited some of my more noticeable social deficits in rare form (and they caught me on it). I did tend to interrupt them a lot; but they were doing that, too—when talking to aspies, it's the only way to get a word in edgewise! I was also trying to draw their attention to the hot woman behind them who had caught my attention. I couldn't think of a subtle way to indicate it, so I decided to say to the right, behind you, Donnie. Too obvious. :oops: These are common aspie problems, though; and they are only tangental to the point I want to make in this topic.

By my unintentional offensiveness, I am referring to some of my posts, my quasi-trolls. I say stuff I blatantly don't believe or twist common stereotypes and beliefs ad absurdum—I'll even twist my own beliefs to absurdity! It's a kind of dry humor, irony. I may take another person's idea and take it to its extreme, or its extreme's opposite.

I believe my mind tends to be understimulated more than most—or it can just handle a higher level of stimulation and sensory input without being overwhelmed. This is an explanation, not an excuse! This compels me to find or create somewhat more exciting situations that are still within my comfort zone socially. At worst, I mean to provoke, or stimulate, conversation in a new vein, even if it is somewhat obnoxious. It's kind of like a motor stim (pacing, hand flapping, and such); we just do it. When I see the same threads when I check the forum, just reading the responses to the same topic doesn't stimulate me mentally enough, I suppose. I do not have any kind of malicious intentions of flaring people up and seeing them huffing and puffing because of something I wrote—really I'd just like to see them laugh, take it half seriously, and discuss any thoughts my posts have given them.

This is something I think I need to say, and I'm glad I did. I know some people are starting to become a little bit suspicious of me of late. I hope this post clarifies things a little.



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27 Aug 2005, 12:29 am

I'm sorta like you, I tend to find an idea and argue for the opposite of it, even if I don't believe in it, sometimes to the extreme...

I also sometimes tend to say things delibratley looking for a response from someone, I guess that's trolling?

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27 Aug 2005, 1:10 am

Exactly how is saying "behind you, Donnie" because you want to draw their attention to a hot girl, a bad Aspie thing? Guys do it all the time, just being guys. My brothers do it all the time: "Check her out, she's got a tight ass/big rack/some other comment about physical looks".



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27 Aug 2005, 1:12 am

danlo wrote:
Exactly how is saying "behind you, Donnie" because you want to draw their attention to a hot girl, a bad Aspie thing? Guys do it all the time, just being guys. My brothers do it all the time: "Check her out, she's got a tight ass/big rack/some other comment about physical looks".

Because she was within hearing distance.



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27 Aug 2005, 5:19 am

Were you really loud, were you?



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27 Aug 2005, 7:02 am

Well, I think it's rude to say things like that! :?


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27 Aug 2005, 7:13 am

Actually there were quite a few people standing within hearing distance. I just got up and walked out, lol :lol: :lol: :lol:


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27 Aug 2005, 7:28 am

I truly hate it when guys make rude remarks about my physical attributes as I want to be respected for my mind not my figure. It's not so bad if they said, "what a pretty lady" of "hasn't she got beautiful hair" or "what a cool dress" or something like that.


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27 Aug 2005, 9:34 am

Sophist wrote:
Actually there were quite a few people standing within hearing distance. I just got up and walked out, lol :lol: :lol: :lol:

By within hearing distance, you mean yourself, Donnie, the woman, and the Subway associate. Honestly, it's not that huge a calamity, though. A lot of guys like to savor the moment of looking at an attractive woman. I know not all people are interested in that kind of relationship, but it's really no reason to be indignant about the fact that most people do.



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27 Aug 2005, 9:36 am

Pandora wrote:
I truly hate it when guys make rude remarks about my physical attributes as I want to be respected for my mind not my figure. It's not so bad if they said, "what a pretty lady" of "hasn't she got beautiful hair" or "what a cool dress" or something like that.

I didn't say she was a large-busted woman or anything like that. I was just trying to indicate subtlely (well, that went awry) that my attention had been distracted by the presence of an attractive woman.



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27 Aug 2005, 9:48 am

NeantHumain wrote:
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Actually there were quite a few people standing within hearing distance. I just got up and walked out, lol :lol: :lol: :lol:

By within hearing distance, you mean yourself, Donnie, the woman, and the Subway associate. Honestly, it's not that huge a calamity, though. A lot of guys like to savor the moment of looking at an attractive woman. I know not all people are interested in that kind of relationship, but it's really no reason to be indignant about the fact that most people do.


Eh, eh, eh... There was the bald guy buying his food, the attractive girl ordering, and two somewhat heavyset women behind her. ;) :D

I don't suspect the Subway guy was paying attention, building sandwiches and all. Or he was doing the same thing and eyeing the girl, just from the other side of the counter, hehe.


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27 Aug 2005, 11:08 pm

It's more of a male thing than an AS thing. Guys often say stuff loudly so the girl would hear to impress his mates.

I get whistled at all the time in pubs, I don't think many girls would take offence at a complement, so don't worry. :)



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27 Aug 2005, 11:27 pm

Also, saying 'Behind you, Donnie', could be taken to be warning him that there's someone behind him, so don't quickly turn around and start walking/walk backwards. Hearing that, I would probably take as a warning rather than 'There's a good looking girl behind you'. I doubt the girl would have even realized what he was talking about.



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28 Aug 2005, 6:49 am

I agree that it's nice to get a compliment but to have a yobbo remark yelled out isn't a compliment to me. No wonder Sophist walked out!

Perhaps a more subtle approach would have been better eg. a nudge and a whisper in the ear. I also think in mixed company that it is polite to admire more quietly. A certain number of women will get offended otherwise.


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28 Aug 2005, 4:17 pm

Let me say I was chuckling as I walked out and we were about to leave anyways. I figured that was an opportune moment.


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28 Aug 2005, 7:49 pm

Sophist wrote:
Let me say I was chuckling as I walked out and we were about to leave anyways. I figured that was an opportune moment.


You really are too conscientious and anti-spontaneous. Seriously, apply your egocentric theory of human behavior here. If we're about to leave anyway, what's embarrassing or inappropriate about what I said? You'll probably never see those people again. Anyway, I wanted to stay for another minute or two and check her out. Enjoying life and having fun in the company of others is a higher good than being extra respectful, dutiful, courteous, and conscientious if the cost is spontaneity, joyfulness, playfulness, and not getting worked up over trivial matters.