Deficient behaviors of NTs

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NTs seem to have a lot of negative traits in common, that would seem to me to define a disorder:

They have poor social skills. Violence seems to be either part of or behind their arguments for or against anything.

They have limited to no tolerance for diversity. They regularly beat and kill each other for worshiping the same god in slightly different ways, for wearing different clothing, for speaking different languages, or for having different color skin.

Their child-rearing skills are horrible.

They almost uniformly do not understand science and will either refer to "authority" or simply "assume" where they cannot form a rational link between one idea and the next.

They have contempt for the lives of animals and everyone else.

They are often willfully blind.

They think of intellect as a disease.

They create a "society" that rational people can't connect with.


There really isn't anything to recommend a "cure" for people who are not NT.

I'm not NT and I utterly dislike diversity. If I'm in a scenario with people who are grossly different from me, I would not want to be there long. Am I a horrible person for not feeling comfortable around people whom I cannot relate? Why would I want to be placed in a situation very foreign to me?

I very highly doubt the NT community hates science and intellect.

This just sounds cynical to me.

Don't dis NTs. Just because they don't have AS, doesn't mean they're bad people. I know a lot of nice NTs.

It depends..if you consider the group of population that are not AS as NT, then you also have to consider all the other diagnoses as NT. Venn diagrams, anyone?... There's psychotics, psychopaths, sociopaths; on them, I would tend to agree. Some NT's aren't so bad...I even married one..

They believe that they have the right to define others as less because they have "deficiencies" and "symptoms." The shoe fits them pretty well.

Whateva.

Well, I am sure many of us would have done the same thing. I don't know about you, but I am certainly not blind. I will point out what is missing (at least what my eyes considers abnormal or strange).

I also don't believe that everyone with ASD is "accepting, caring, and non-judgmental" as those pro-autism vids advocate.

I haven't met anyone who so harshly judges others. Maybe my whole town is AS and doesn't know it.

Well, I've had no end of trouble from a**hole NTS who despise me for not being like them. I've been regularly verbally assaulted, and occasionally even physically assaulted, by NTs for not being "normal". The thought police on this site have rebuked me in the past for speaking such unsanctioned truths but I don't care anymore...let 'em come.

I will grant, however, that some NTs are accepting and tolerant. These NTs have the common sense to realize that if you're not acting like them there's probably some reason for your behavior, and they respect that everyone on earth isn't required to be exactly like them for their convenience. They're just not the majority, from what I've seen.

Remnant, my opinions exactly. Excellently put!

I think that just as there are no two aspies that alike, no two NTs are either. The traits you listed can be found in aspies and NTs.

the overuse of the word 'They' gets old, fast.
i've only been here a few days but the sheer number of 'us versus them' posts is really off-putting.
how many threads are necessary to carry on the same arguments?

I think that the point Remnant is trying to make is that NTs are equally deficient than Aspies and hence it's hypocritcal for them to suggest a cure for autism when they have imperfections as NTs which autistics are less likely to have.

Get back to me when the entire school or workplace (depending on your age) bullies you at the same time...

Well said, ToadofSteel.

That's my point, and I genuinely wonder if they are the ones who are sick. I haven't accepted the idea that autistics for the most part are sick, or that autism is a sickness. There are autistics who are sick but I don't know that autism is a sickness. The autism may be what a person does to treat his illnesses or problems. In many or most cases it may be more like meditation.

I keep seeing reasons for the ASD social and behavioral impairments to come from the "other" side. I looked up "autism" in Wikipedia and it says that it is a "that impairs social interaction and communication, and causes restricted and repetitive behavior." People who use fist-fights as a means of communication are socially impaired, and that is what seemed to prevail where I lived. This is also restricted and impaired behavior. Then look at the world in general that still sees religious and legal restrictions as some kind of valid moral code, and follows regimens that restrict people's ability to learn and understand. People who have to sit at a bar and drink or who have to sit in front of the TV every day (and probably drink) are engaged in repetitive restrictive behaviors.

We are supposedly disordered. Disordered as compared to what? I couldn't believe that there was something special that was wrong with me. I looked around at my classmates. They were allowed to drive cars and they used those cars as weapons. Most of them were into smoking by the age of 10 and drinking as soon as they could stomach it. In more than one case one of them would torture me with the active collaboration of a teacher, then I would get a bad report and my mother wouldn't let me explain to her what they did to me. Who's crazy there?

I just don't buy it. Every human being has deficiencies. When trying to figure out whose deficiencies cause more "impairment" I think that the eagerness to commit violent acts against others or to force others to do so is an impairment. The NT establishment seems to see this as a vital social skill.