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11 Mar 2008, 11:08 pm

Parents who are refusing to give their kids vaccinations or the flu shots. I dont understand it at all, i really dont care if autism was caused by those, wouldnt you rather your kid be autistic then sick all the time, or worse dead? I honestly dont think either cause autism. Theres parents who have twins both vaccinated, both flu shots, yet ones autistic, ones not, how is that? Or kids who are vaccinated and flu shots who are NT, yet the ones who arent the others are autistic, like huh? What about the kids who were born showing signs of autism at 2months? It all confuses me. But I'll tell u now, i rather my kid get all the vaccinations needed for his/her health, rather then worry over him/her becoming autistic.

I didnt get my flu shot in a while, because i missed out, and i ended up getting seriously sick, and keep getting oncoming flu ish symptoms. Next time those shots are given, i'm going to be first in line haha, i aint going through this again! I almost lost my life, heck my bf had to go to the ER because of how bad his flu went. Whats everybody elses thoughts on vaccinations, flu shots, and it all?


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11 Mar 2008, 11:15 pm

Vaccinations should be mandatory, unless the child has a comprised immune system or other illness that may cause negative reactions.


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11 Mar 2008, 11:18 pm

Just because vaccinations don't "cause" autism, doesn't mean they aren't risky. Some kids do have adverse reactions, and obviously mercury, aluminum, and similar substances are harmful to living things.
I think it should be the parent's choice.



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11 Mar 2008, 11:27 pm

zee wrote:
Just because vaccinations don't "cause" autism, doesn't mean they aren't risky. Some kids do have adverse reactions, and obviously mercury, aluminum, and similar substances are harmful to living things.
I think it should be the parent's choice.


but what if that parent decided not to vaccinate, the child gets lets say the flu but the parents seem to manage it very well keep the child to the doctor for medicine, so that child is okay, but then the flu is then passed on to another child who dies from the flu. Isnt that risky as well? A shot is given for the flu to prevent it from spreading, sometimes the shots save ppls lives. Vaccinations are given for a reason, some children have side affects, some don't at all, but wouldn't u risk that instead of not even bothering, so that child has a serious risk of getting seriously sick? I'm not trying to start an arguement, just wondering.


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11 Mar 2008, 11:30 pm

I've seen parents who had an autistic child, and then didnt vaccinate their second child because they thought the vaccinations caused their first childs autism, and not only did the child come out autistic, but caught a phnemonia that nearly killed the poor kid. I don't care really what causes autism, i just think vaccinations are important for a childs health. Everything has side affects, i mean i knew a kid who kept water in his car for months, decided to drink it, thought nothing can go wrong, got seriously sick, ended up in the hospital for days. Anything can go wrong with anything, but also can save lives.


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11 Mar 2008, 11:34 pm

That's just something you have to deal with in this life. Diseases are transmissable, and it's not your fault if someone catches the flu from you, unless you deliberately infected them.
Man can't outsmart nature. There will always be diseases, and people will always get sick and die. If you want to try and prevent this in yourself or your child, then that's your choice, but everyone should be able to decide for themselves if it's worth it.
Yes, there is a small risk that your child could get whooping cough if he ISN'T immunized, and there's also a small risk that your child will have an adverse reaction to an ingredient in the vaccine if he IS immunized. So which risk do you want to take? You can't blame people for wanting to take the natural way over the man-made.



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11 Mar 2008, 11:38 pm

zee wrote:
That's just something you have to deal with in this life. Diseases are transmissable, and it's not your fault if someone catches the flu from you, unless you deliberately infected them.
Man can't outsmart nature. There will always be diseases, and people will always get sick and die. If you want to try and prevent this in yourself or your child, then that's your choice, but everyone should be able to decide for themselves if it's worth it.
Yes, there is a small risk that your child could get whooping cough if he ISN'T immunized, and there's also a small risk that your child will have an adverse reaction to an ingredient in the vaccine if he IS immunized. So which risk do you want to take? You can't blame people for wanting to take the natural way over the man-made.


I would still get my kid immunized, because you dont hear many cases of bad reactions from immunizations, but you do hear a lot of bad cases of unvaccinated ppl dying. If it was parents choice, i wouldn't be against it, i think some parents know their children better then others, but my honest opinion from what ive seen, heard, and encountered myself, i rather vaccinate my children.


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12 Mar 2008, 12:46 am

I think the whole vaccine thing is bull, as I was 9 months when I started getting symptoms, way before I got those dumb needles.
My personal opinion, but it just doesn't make sense to me.



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12 Mar 2008, 1:08 am

My opinion on this is that over-immunizing/medicating is causing more virulent strains of viruses/bacteria and weaker immune systems. :idea:



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12 Mar 2008, 1:59 am

My child is fully immunised against everything available here. I personally have had a nasty reaction to the tetanus vaccine but I am all for immunisation!
I'd rather have an autistic child than no child at all.



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12 Mar 2008, 2:10 am

Vaccination against stuff like meningicoccal (sp?) I can understand.

But the flu??????????????

Fruit and sleep can help with THAT.


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12 Mar 2008, 2:16 am

Our daughter has never been immunized for flu.

I have never been immunized for flu... in fact, when I was a medic in the Army, I found I could stamp my own medical record to get out of taking the shot.

I've never had a full-on flu. Sinus infections, colds, hayfever, but nothing like the flu.
Neither has my daughter who is now 14.
Her mom is a pediatrician and I work in a hospital lab. I suspect we've exposed her to a few germs in her life.

If you consider that the vast majority of children in the U.S. alone, do not receive flu vaccinations, I would think one would get the idea that mass innoculations are not necessary.

It's more about containment than getting a vaccination that might not turn out to be any good for the current bug floating around.

This year, I have seen many patients who have tested positive for influenza.

Guess what?

I have heard from some of them as well as other people who say they got their flu shot, yet wound up getting the flu anyway.

It's a gamble folks! We hope the flu shot given this season will be the right one for whatever flu comes around.

And as far as a kid getting pneumonia because he/she didn't get a shot.... there are two types of pneumonia out there.
The kid could have caught it from any number of sources.
I wouldn't jump to conclusions that they caught it because they didn't have a shot.

I believe that if there is no need... there is no shot, or pill, or other medicine.

If a person is not in a high risk category, who also travels among the population in a way that increases their chances of catching something from other people... they do not need all these shots and meds.
We keep adding more and more onto the 'medicate at all costs' table and people are still grabbing up whatever is thrown out there.

Same thing with all those stupid hand sanitizers... I'm not even going there for now! :wink:


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12 Mar 2008, 4:53 am

Age1600 wrote:
Whats everybody elses thoughts on vaccinations, flu shots, and it all?


I'm probably not one to talk about this, because I didn't get all my shots as a baby and got some last when I was 4 or something...

but I do think all children nowadays should get their shots! More and more parents don't take their children to get the shots because they're lazy or think it's not necessary because they say the diseases in questions are a) too rare and b) are long gone. But parents kind of forget that these disease that were back in time spreading across the globe have only disappeared because of better hygiene - but many children get lice still too, and also hygiene isn't perfect, especially with children loving to play in the mud and dirt - and because of vaccinations.
It's an odd reasoning to then say it's not at all important to get shots if vaccination is the thing that keeps the diseases at bay!



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12 Mar 2008, 5:25 am

I had a question on this in my biology GCSE paper (summer 2005, I think, triple science). I can't remember exactly, but more or less it said: "Some research has shown a link between the MMR jab and autism, would you still get the jab?"

I read it as "would you rather have your kid autistic or dead", and surprise surprise wasn't too happy with that paper. I finished the rest of it first, but then went back to the question and wrote a rant about how stupid who ever came up with the question was.

And then the exam board refused to mark it because there was "doodling" on it. Kthx.

Got it remarked eventually though and got an A.

And my answer is yes. I'd rather have autism then have any of those illnesses, even if there /was/ a link between them.

(Urg, I got pissed off again just thinking about that paper. I don't know how the hell that question got into it).


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12 Mar 2008, 5:32 am

I had a bad reaction to my first vaccine bunch haven't had on since my sister hasn't had any
Also only had antibiotic drugs once in life
painkillers a dozen times at low doses
cough syrup maybe 30 times
yet I have rarely had more than a cold or a headache
maybe has to do with regular chiropractic/ homeopathic care


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12 Mar 2008, 5:44 am

I got all my vaccinations as a kid but always refrianed from the flu shot. I rairly get sick and feel like if I get the flu ill just use that as an excuse to not go to work, plain and simple.

I dont think its a good idea to skip your kids shots. Itll be interesting to see what happens as time goes on. If I have kids someday they will get all their manditory shots.


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