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10 Oct 2010, 11:53 pm

DemonAbyss10 wrote:

And what the f**k is so damn great about orgies, really. If I had sex, id rather it be intimate with one other person, Id rather not f***ing share, increases risk of STDs and sh**.

Yeah, no kidding! Pretty gross.

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10 Oct 2010, 11:55 pm

ThomasL wrote:

DemonAbyss10 wrote:

And what the f**k is so damn great about orgies, really. If I had sex, id rather it be intimate with one other person, Id rather not f***ing share, increases risk of STDs and sh**.

Well, don't have an orgy if you don't want to have one.

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11 Oct 2010, 12:02 am

Malin wrote:

Middle Age scholars actually wondered if there were fish on board the arc (it said every animal!).

LOL. I bet Iranian clerics are still arguing over such nonsense when they're not raping, torturing, murdering or plotting WWIII.

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I don't know if any of the religious would care to reply, as those I've met have a tendency to block out things they don't like, but if so, I would honestly like to know the reasons someone could pick one religion over another. I've read more holy texts than your average church congregation combined from a great variety of religions (Taoism is far superior to Christianity in every respect, but mostly in brevity, with Hinduism a close second). Why pick this one? Of all the world's options, why the one you were born to?

And as an aside - why do Christians never read their own holy texts? I think it's just plain disrespectful to push a book you've only bothered to leaf through on your days off.

So far, in this long thread, not one religious person has attempted to debate anyone on any of the many valid arguments brought up. They're obviously not up to it, being largely ignorant of their own holy book and dogma, let alone other religions. If they knew these things, they would probably become agnostic or atheist.

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11 Oct 2010, 12:16 am

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as for my thing about open displays of affection, I am more or less thinking along the lines of limited contact while out in the open. No snogging nonstop, basically rules that many schools have had on the subject. It may not necessarily be enforcable, but it would hopefully lessen the stigma for singles a bit, because we all know that there are plenty that get extremely jealous and sh** when they see the open displays constantly. However, keep in mine this would in no way affect dress or anything, its just simply to keep a bit of control on behaviors in order to at least enforce some room of respect for those who are single.

OK, yeah. I remember this from middle school - one day the principal made an address over the public announcement system condemning students who kiss or make out in the hallways. I thought it was kinda funny - I was never bothered by such displays. Well, maybe only because I didn't see much of it and/or never saw a girl I was interested in getting slobbered all over in public?

In any case, I guess you're right - it's a good idea not to do this sort of thing in public, if only to avoid trouble from anyone who might be offended.

It reminds me of the problem faced by gay people or interracial couples who even just hold hands in public, or seem overly friendly with each other in public - some people can become dangerously outraged by this. A friend of mine (white guy) who was just walking down the street w/ an Asian girl in China had rocks thrown at him. Similar hostility (even if not taken to that extreme) is common in other East Asian countries, like Japan, Korea and Vietnam.

So yeah - good idea to be VERY non-affectionate in public.

That was basically my point. Better off not trying to be offensive with it. However, Said offended person SHOULD be polite about it instead of totally wigging about it. At the school I went to they had the rule in place and yeah I can say its unenforcable. and I dont have problems with most of it, other than the sounds. But anyways, Ive been using meditation to try to get around being annoyed from it.

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11 Oct 2010, 12:21 am

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DemonAbyss10 i do not know why you have become so agressive and it is only proof of what i have said. without god you have lead a very angry life which has made you prone to outburst such as tehse. it does not lend credence to your argumenet for you to be an angry jerk, and as there are children on these boreds i would ask you to please refrain from such uncalled for profanity. as to what you have said about this thread degenerating...it was fine before you got hear, so lets please return to a respectful debate rather than childish rantings. you may be an aspie or even a full auty but that does not give you the right to be as ignorant as you have been.

Haha... why is this the common Christian way to be a dick? I don't see it as peaceful mediation, but a holier than thou approach. Can you really make these statements without truly knowing the guy? It sounds arrogant and the only reason I bring it up is it sounds like something my father would say and he's only been a christian for 3 years. I see anger or a better than approach to the wording of the quote. If you were truly preaching peaceful mediation... why not try ignoring words you deem harsh. Most people lose steam if you let them go off and give them no credit for their efforts. Speaking down to somebody only states that you want to come out on top.

And As I have stated to him in a followup, I do acknowledge that yes, I do make mistakes. I am a human being after all. Every one has emotions and such. I was having a bad day with a family member that day who kept on pissing me off about lack of faith and such. So yeah, I do admit to coming off a bit hard, but I normally do regardless of mood. I am just a naturally aggressive person. And yes, Ive been practicing meditation for the past year or so to try and bring that under control. And there is evidence of that it does help. I still come off a bit harsh, but I usually dont end up igniting a hellstorm as much as usual.

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11 Oct 2010, 12:25 am

I haven't read this thread since I posted in it on the first page and I'm not gonna read more silly religious debating.

What I want to know is:
How did the knowledge that you have AS change your religious/spiritual outlook?

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11 Oct 2010, 12:31 am

Mikelight wrote:

It didn't. I was an atheist before. Although I think it does explain why I never understood the whole religion thing growing up and why I never really believed in any of it... Or really worried about any of the threats.

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11 Oct 2010, 1:11 am

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It didn't change my religious/spiritual outlook either - I too was already atheist.

But I sure was delighted to find the poll here on Wrong Planet that showed 66% of us here are either agnostic or atheist. At last a place where I'm in the majority!! (And this helped confirm the diagnosis for me).

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11 Oct 2010, 2:15 am

DemonAbyss10 wrote:

oliverthered wrote:

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oliverthered wrote:

If they don't want to see it, they should not look and turn away.
If they want it to happen to them, then they should be allowed to join in.

Giving others confidence.

In many countries kissing is actually a greeting.

Maybe their aren't enough 'French kisses' and that's the issue, not that there are too many.

The human Psyche generally doesnt work that way however, and you can't always avoid it either. The greeting part I myself dont necessarily mind however, as long as it isnt some absolute stranger. For myself, a lot of times the put-off to me is the actual sounds more than the imagery, and sounds are difficult to ignore, especially people with hypersensitive hearing such as myself. My only wish with it is that people should be able to exercise self-control over themselves, but as I said, the human psyche doesnt necessarily allow for it.

Mainly stating that human nature doesnt support self-control/self-discipline much.

So you saying that Human nature is learned and social then?

And what the f**k is so damn great about orgies, really.

What's wrong with them?

If I had sex, id rather it be intimate with one other person, Id rather not f***ing share, increases risk of STDs and sh**.

Ahhh. I see, selfishness and not being given condoms. (or going down the STD clinic first)

'The human Psyche'

I'm not sure what you mean?

Romans liked to throw Christians to the lions, have orgies etc...
Greeks sex with anything, lots of nudity, small male members.

Mainly stating that human nature doesnt support self-control/self-discipline much. And what the f**k is so damn great about orgies, really. If I had sex, id rather it be intimate with one other person, Id rather not f***ing share, increases risk of STDs and sh**.

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11 Oct 2010, 3:05 am

DemonAbyss10 wrote:

oliverthered wrote:

DemonAbyss10 wrote:

oliverthered wrote:

'The human Psyche'

I'm not sure what you mean?

Romans liked to throw Christians to the lions, have orgies etc...
Greeks sex with anything, lots of nudity, small male members.

God is love, where is your God?

I have no God, I have only love.

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11 Oct 2010, 10:15 am

oliverthered wrote:

DemonAbyss10 wrote:

oliverthered wrote:

DemonAbyss10 wrote:

oliverthered wrote:

'The human Psyche'

I'm not sure what you mean?

Romans liked to throw Christians to the lions, have orgies etc...
Greeks sex with anything, lots of nudity, small male members.

God is love, where is your God?

I have no God, I have only love.

I dont have one either, but unlike you I dont feel a need for love. The is no reason to love 99.9% of the time from my own experiences. You just get through life, then die. Plain and simple

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11 Oct 2010, 11:56 am

I dont just want to go thru life then die. I dont have a vain longing to be superstar or whatever, but I want to feel life, to experience love, to love and be loved and to have lovely company. Shame is our societies make all this hard, rather than easy. Just look at our role models in the media. No dont look at them actually.

Love is good. Love is our highest expression, and we aspies are capable of deep and true love......Love is god? Hmmm God spelt backwards is dog... woof woof

Love is a force to be reckoned with. Many discoveries made by aspie genius's were due to their love....expressed in work.....

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11 Oct 2010, 12:13 pm

The need for love is to help others get on with their lives.

(Love in general, love for the planet, love for nature)

A friend said to me, that I question things too much. and to remember that ignorance is bliss.

I said, not when it's the ignorance of others.

Yeh, I could just top myself, but others seem to want me her, and others seem to want love, they seem to love me.

I have no love, but for the love of others, the love that others want.

I am the love they want. (ok, not everyone loves me, and I ain't a meglomaniac)

But that is the need for love that I see.

I think you said, people shouldn't kiss so much in public, because others will 'feel the need for love that they are not getting [be Jealous]'.

But you do not see the need for love.

Though the wind blows through the trees
It does not care for fallen leaves.

Learn to accept and appreciate things for what they are, and you will have no daemons left.
...And when the daemons appear, remember that they only appear to be demons to you, because to them you are the demon.

You are not a demon
Even though others may had told you so, or you may think you are because of the way you feel you are perceived.

Help others to appreciate things, and their demons will go away.

There are demons at the gates to heven, see no demons and they will be none.

That is love.

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11 Oct 2010, 12:48 pm

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Well, my "love" if it can be even called that, as I feel its more just simply respect, is for Nature/the planet. I dont really care for humanity much, but that can definately be because of life experiences and such, as well as just simple observations I have made regarding humanity.

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12 Oct 2010, 4:21 am

DemonAbyss10 wrote:

oliverthered wrote:

I am indifferent, other people are not.

I try not to promote selfish desires in other people. And so for them I care so they may care for others.

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20 Oct 2010, 12:31 pm

I came across this article and it seems relevant to the original post.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/ ... 2010-05-29

Re read the original post, maybe the article isn't relevant. meh

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