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20 Apr 2011, 1:49 am

to the OP: even the most foul words found here on WP, still are just pixels on a page, easily bypassed in favor of more edifying fare which can easily be found here in wrong planetland. reward the kind and helpful posters while ignoring the other kind, and maybe you will eventually start seeing more good words and fewer bad words. just a thought.



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20 Apr 2011, 4:18 am

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Look, Surfer. This is a forum for autistics. Being bad at observing social trends is one of our defining features. Could you please provide a few examples of this sort of thing, for purposes of evaluation? 'Cause I don't see it.


You've only been here just over a week, you'll notice which groups are which eventually.

Can someone tell me which one I belong in? Please? I mean was there supposed to be a meeting? I didn't get an invite! Did they not like me? :-( I can make maps, and I can scheme with the best of them.

Now I feel unloved that my group didn't care enough to contact me so we could continue our fascist plot to silence all who disagree with us - that's what we're doing right? I'm just assuming cuz of the fascism the OP mentioned, I didn't know we were supposed to be doing that so I was just saying what I thought and noticing some people thought the same thing I did. I didn't think anything of it because a lot of the time people just like similar things. Like waffles and strawberries, I really like those two together for example. I didn't realize that it meant that there had to be a waffle and strawberry fascist bully group, although we'd have totally kickass meetings. But if there's like a committee approved action item agenda that we should be following I guess I could go with that too. So long as there's waffles! Death to waffle unbelievers!

I'm sorry, I want to be a part of the social intrigue and politicking that's apparently been going on without me noticing, but I'm too socially challenged to have noticed it. Surely some higher functioning individuals can take pity on me, some people who really do know who they are and if they are who they are and if what and who they are is who other people believe they are. It's all way too complicated for little old me. But I will totally draw world domination maps for the highest waffle and strawberry bidder. :D



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20 Apr 2011, 4:36 am

Maps! I love maps! Is that a common thing with autistics, or is it just a coincidence?



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20 Apr 2011, 5:40 am

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I don't really understand how outspoken posters = Fascism. Most of the very outspoken people are not all of the same leaning. If there was Fascism, they would all be arguing the same jargon. Alas, that is not the case. How many people here are even wearing brown shirts? :wink:

Also I'm with Lecks. Make us a graph, Ms MONKEY! :)


I would, since it's already mapped out in my head. But I don't know if I'd get something wrong or place someone next to someone they dislike and I didn't know, also if I place someone in the not-so popular group they'd get offended?
I'll have a go though...


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20 Apr 2011, 5:42 am

MONKEY wrote:
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I don't really understand how outspoken posters = Fascism. Most of the very outspoken people are not all of the same leaning. If there was Fascism, they would all be arguing the same jargon. Alas, that is not the case. How many people here are even wearing brown shirts? :wink:

Also I'm with Lecks. Make us a graph, Ms MONKEY! :)


I would, since it's already mapped out in my head. But I don't know if I'd get something wrong or place someone next to someone they dislike and I didn't know, also if I place someone in the not-so popular group they'd get offended?
I'll have a go though...


I'd distribute it under an 'opt in' scheme, then if anyone's offended, they asked for it. :wink:

I'd be interested in seeing how you see things here.


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20 Apr 2011, 6:23 am

There's groups, cliques and a hierarchy?

In all honesty, I've never parsed up this community into any categories. I forget to even consider that some are NT and some are on the spectrum. Or that some are much lower functioning than others. Maybe it's part of the whole theory of mind thing, but I spend very little time trying to intuit the motivations of the people here. Sometimes it seems obvious there is an agenda in some posts and that irritates me so I'll call it out. I have a personal problem with poorly inferred conclusions based on supposition and sometime just invented facts and I'll push pretty hard against that. But all in all, I've never felt personally attacked. Some mild barbs get tossed about and I'll throw them right back. That's just part and parcel of an internet forum.

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20 Apr 2011, 6:48 am

The rest of these replies? Great way to start my morning off with intense laughter. 8)

Seriously.
OP is obviously looking for trouble.



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20 Apr 2011, 7:30 am

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My apologies for inadvertently offending innocent parties, that was never my intention

All I wanted to do was to call out those who are dogmatic and maintain argumentative stances, often disagreeing on principle, and forever finding fault.

That is a form a bullying


Disagreeing with somebody and forever finding fault because you don't like them can be bullying. But is that really what's happening here? What I see is just that posters (unsurprisingly) have firm opinions and will defend those opinions fiercely. If two posters have firm but opposing opinions, they will consistently disagree with each other and consistently find fault with each other's position. If poster A's opinion is shared by more people than poster B's opinion, the illusion of a hierarchy can be created, with the poster who posts most frequently at the top and those who post less frequently in the middle seeming like "cronies" because they agree when they log on twice a day and see this thread with an opinion they agree with. Then poster B with an opinion shared by only a few (or maybe no other) posters seems on the bottom regardless of how often they post.

One of the common themes on this board is how annoying it is that NTs will "go along to get along" and fake agreement with something they disagree with just to keep the peace. Being NT, I've done it many times. One of the rewards of coming here is dropping that facade. But the flip side of having many people here who simply will not "go along to get along" is that nobody is going to refrain from disagreeing with you just to keep the peace. Instead they will disagree with what they consider your wrong stance every time they encounter it. I don't see this as bullying. I just see it as dropping the "go along to get along" facade. There are rules against letting this disagreement morph into personal attacks. I think the moderators are pretty good about locking threads when that happens. But mere disagreement with a particular opinion at every turn isn't bullying, no matter how dogmatic and argumentative it is. It's just a person who won't back down because here- among like-minded people- nobody says you have to back down just so long as no personal attacks are made.



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20 Apr 2011, 8:08 am

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Being NT, I've done it many times.


You're NT? LOL. This is what I mean. I just don't automatically divide people up into groups. It just never enters my mind to think "is this person in this category" and "this other person is in another category". Even when there is an obvious categorizable difference (like a woman wearing a burka), my first reaction is huh, a Muslim, but my important reaction is "I wonder what she really thinks as opposed to what she projects to the world". Almost by default, I completely ignore the external cues and start digging for the true person. While I may never actually get to talk to a woman in a burka (I think their interaction with males is strictly controlled), I would wonder far more about the person inside the obvious role of "Muslim" than the outward presentation of the role.


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20 Apr 2011, 9:53 am

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When I frequented the underground music scene 30 yrs ago, I made an observation about counter culture groups, namely that their efforts to be 'different' are only superficial. Where I expected to find egalitarianism, something completely welcoming and inclusive, I instead found cliques and stratifications as tediously obnoxious as anything society at large concocts. "The microcosm mimics the macrocosm" is what I'd mutter whenever I'd experience such disappointment. C'est la vie.

I like that. Are you born in the year of the rabbit, birthday this year?

So, WP is not the BS free zone it appears? Bummer, I suppose thats why posters eventually wander of into the cyberdarkness


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WP is the only group to which I feel I can belong. Dealing with flesh and blood types is just too much. I for one am glad such a group as this is here. No looking at faces, colours, bodie or genders. No distractions. Just thoughts. I find that this is as close to a haven as I am going to get in this life. 8)

Before the internet, the only way I could talk and discuss ideas, etc, was to make notes in books I read. I would then imagine arguments and discussions about the ideas. I often wished for feedback from the author, not in person, but in the form of letters and such, but nothing happened, even when I wrote to the author via the publisher. So remember the bad old days, when internet fora were not there, and be glad we have it now. I know I am. :D :cheers:


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20 Apr 2011, 10:02 am

sartresue wrote:
Before the internet, the only way I could talk and discuss ideas, etc, was to make notes in books I read. I would then imagine arguments and discussions about the ideas. I often wished for feedback from the author, not in person, but in the form of letters and such, but nothing happened, even when I wrote to the author via the publisher. So remember the bad old days, when internet fora were not there, and be glad we have it now. I know I am. :D :cheers:


Aww, that made me a bit sad. I couldn't have very good discussions before the internet either, it was very lonely.

It also reminds me that WP and sites like it are a valuable resource.

But bull s**t free, it certainly isn't. You have to come to enjoy it warts and all.


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20 Apr 2011, 10:03 am

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Being NT, I've done it many times.

Whaaaa?! But, you sound so normal to me! Are you sure you're NT? You don't seem NT, you're fitting in here way too well to be one of those people.

Sorry, someone had to :wink: but to be serious, I had no idea. I mean, y'all are just names on a screen. I read the words, but I rarely click the names to check people's status. Heck, half the time I don't remember which user name i was agreeing with, I just remember the argument they made. There's very few things that are as equalizing to how you view a person as seeing just their words. I don't even know what gender most of you are, and sorry, but for most conversations it really doesn't matter. If stuff like that matters, I figure people will mention it. For all I know you people could all be three armed reptilians from Zygill 8, but eh, it probably wouldn't change whether I agree or disagree with anyone here. Unless you're into abducting and probing people, in which case I've got this list... :D



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20 Apr 2011, 10:06 am

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For all I know you people could all be three armed reptilians from Zygill 8, but eh, it probably wouldn't change whether I agree or disagree with anyone here.


I have four arms, does that change anything?

Not so much about the probings, I leave that to the Sirians


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20 Apr 2011, 10:07 am

Janissy wrote:
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My apologies for inadvertently offending innocent parties, that was never my intention

All I wanted to do was to call out those who are dogmatic and maintain argumentative stances, often disagreeing on principle, and forever finding fault.

That is a form a bullying


Disagreeing with somebody and forever finding fault because you don't like them can be bullying. But is that really what's happening here? What I see is just that posters (unsurprisingly) have firm opinions and will defend those opinions fiercely. If two posters have firm but opposing opinions, they will consistently disagree with each other and consistently find fault with each other's position. If poster A's opinion is shared by more people than poster B's opinion, the illusion of a hierarchy can be created, with the poster who posts most frequently at the top and those who post less frequently in the middle seeming like "cronies" because they agree when they log on twice a day and see this thread with an opinion they agree with. Then poster B with an opinion shared by only a few (or maybe no other) posters seems on the bottom regardless of how often they post.

One of the common themes on this board is how annoying it is that NTs will "go along to get along" and fake agreement with something they disagree with just to keep the peace. Being NT, I've done it many times. One of the rewards of coming here is dropping that facade. But the flip side of having many people here who simply will not "go along to get along" is that nobody is going to refrain from disagreeing with you just to keep the peace. Instead they will disagree with what they consider your wrong stance every time they encounter it. I don't see this as bullying. I just see it as dropping the "go along to get along" facade. There are rules against letting this disagreement morph into personal attacks. I think the moderators are pretty good about locking threads when that happens. But mere disagreement with a particular opinion at every turn isn't bullying, no matter how dogmatic and argumentative it is. It's just a person who won't back down because here- among like-minded people- nobody says you have to back down just so long as no personal attacks are made.


I've faked agreement with my first ex because he didn't like anyone disagreeing with him so he would argue and not drop the topic until you agreed. But I always felt I was letting him walk all over me when I did it so I shut him up with screaming since he hated being yelled at. I got nasty because he would not respect me by dropping it. That is why I always drop topics when my mother says she doesn't want to talk about it. Okay I will respect her wishes since I would want the same too.



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20 Apr 2011, 10:11 am

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I have four arms, does that change anything?

Oh well, that does change everything. You can't trust carbon-based lifeforms with four arms. They're all organ thieves! The whole lot of them, nothing but lying spleen stealers - can't trust a word they say! Any chance you're silica-based? That would be fine.



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20 Apr 2011, 10:15 am

Airlines provide barf bags, and maybe these should be available here ...

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