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TeaEarlGreyHot
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04 May 2011, 8:48 pm

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Anyway, I have bowling tonight. Such a NT thing to do. :wink:


:lol:

(Asking someone else who's less likely to be offended by this question: It is, isn't it?)


You seem pointlessly interested in arm chair diagnosing people you barely know on the internet. Aren't you at all concerned that you're going to offend somebody? Insinuation is against the TOS, keep that in mind


I'm not trying to insinuate anything about her, I'm genuinely asking if bowling in a group with others is a NT thing to do? Because I know, for certain, that no peer group I'm aware of would want me to join their bowling group (No matter how "nice" or "friendly" I attempted pretending to be.) and I'm "questionably aspie", meaning "real aspies" probably have it worse with getting invited to bowling events with their friends (Assuming they have any, anyways.).


It's a league. I pay them, they can't reject me unless I break rules. Structured activities are commonly suggested for AS people that have trouble socializing but want to.

I made a funny, that was it. :roll:


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04 May 2011, 8:53 pm

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Hehe, yeah, that's definitely true though I too haven't been particularly bothered by it -- I've kind of accepted that some people are going to dislike me and if I happen to have "more foes" than average, oh well, c'est la vie. If that's true, it's most likely largely due to personal qualities assigned to me by fate, and a battle with fate seems like a losing one. It's better to embrace it and optimize your lot in life however you can.

I've been wondering about the properties underlying "likability"/"popularity", and it seems to come from those who are generally more 'clever' / 'funny' / 'imaginative', more agreeable, more empathetic or have greater TOM abilities, those who more closely fit the popular "communication norms", and those who have a way of thinking / way of speaking that's more commonly accepted (That is, they hold popular views.). Aside from agreeableness and holding popular views, that basically means though who are 'more aspie' will tend to be less popular (Since imagination underlies the trait called "humor" and the "more aspie" among us will tend to have less imagination), which is kind of ironic for a support site.

Also, a funny implication of that is the more NT among us will tend to be more popular, and the most popular people tend to rise to the position of a moderator, so ergo...

(Note that being NT doesn't mean you're "normal" or a "gossiper" -- there's quite a bit of variation within the NT spectrum.)


I noticed that, and I do agree that those of us on the spectrum who are more toward the NT end may tend to be more popular, though I'd really like to see some data to that effect :). Also, I noticed that they tend to be those who are comfortable posting photos of themselves, for whatever reason. I know everyone likes to put a person's personality as known through their posts together with a visual, but some of us like to protect our privacy and pay somewhat of a price for it, IMO. (I personally had a bad experience with someone trying to harass me via internet so I don't tend to post a lot of personal information publicly, and that includes photos of myself). If I get to know someone well I might email them one, but I don't post them publicly or as my avatar. Some people on these threads have suggested it's the "young, attractive people" who are "popular" but I think it's more that they are comfortable posting a photo, which does take a certain confidence that many of us don't have for whatever reason (in my case, a bad experience with internet stalking/harassment in the past).

Like I said, I don't get too emotional over it all, but it is interesting.

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04 May 2011, 8:53 pm

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if someone flirts with you they obviously don't hate you.


IRL many men & women use flirting to manipulate people


I haven't noticed any manipulation flirting here tbh.



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04 May 2011, 8:55 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
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if someone flirts with you they obviously don't hate you.


IRL many men & women use flirting to manipulate people


I haven't noticed any manipulation flirting here tbh.


In my experience, that's more of a female behavior.


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04 May 2011, 10:33 pm

I have never been popular and I suspect I never will be. Unless a group of ultra-cool convertible driving people turn up who recite facts and tell long, embarrassing, verbose stories and take photos, refuse to make eye contact, and play with animals, and suddenly these tendencies are considered the most hip in town. Then I might have found my crowd.


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04 May 2011, 10:44 pm

hale_bopp wrote:
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if someone flirts with you they obviously don't hate you.


IRL many men & women use flirting to manipulate people


I haven't noticed any manipulation flirting here tbh.


Not here. I mentioned IRL. I have seen it happen. And been the victim of it. Long and unpleasant story, I suppose, and also rather uninteresting


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05 May 2011, 2:20 am

Popularity and position is the same across neurology and species of mammalian brains.

As evidenced in attempts to slap down any dissenter, incorrect statements of truth, mistakes, personality clashes and or disagreements.

I question and highlight the put downs, tit for tat bullying of others I have seen today in this thread.

I am really hating my most disliked word 'group' more and more............

Pride comes before a fall

lions live in prides

pride is one of the deadly sins

is group pride an expression of collective invested ego's?

........................MY FAVOURITE WP MEMBERS ARE THOSE TO DO NOT INDULGE OUR LOWER MAMMALIAN NATURES.......................



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05 May 2011, 2:22 am

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MY FAVOURITE WP MEMBERS ARE THOSE TO DO NOT INDULGE OUR LOWER MAMMALIAN NATURES


Breathing? Pooping? f*****g?


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05 May 2011, 2:28 am

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Breathing? Pooping? f***ing?


'in front of others'...

Maybe I expect too much? After all we are still all human? Or vulcan?



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05 May 2011, 2:31 am

Surfman wrote:
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MY FAVOURITE WP MEMBERS ARE THOSE TO DO NOT INDULGE OUR LOWER MAMMALIAN NATURES


Breathing? Pooping? f***ing?


'in front of others'...

Maybe I expect too much? After all we are still all human? Or vulcan?


We're all animals. If anything, Aspergergians are more true to their animalistic roots than NTs.

But... I'm drunk so I could just be pulling s**t out of my ass. (no literalism! lol)


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05 May 2011, 2:35 am

Surfman wrote:
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MY FAVOURITE WP MEMBERS ARE THOSE TO DO NOT INDULGE OUR LOWER MAMMALIAN NATURES


Breathing? Pooping? f***ing?


'in front of others'...

Maybe I expect too much? After all we are still all human? Or vulcan?


:lol: Are Vulcans so logical that they don't even poop? Do they simply vacate their bowels through pure mathematical expression on paper?


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05 May 2011, 4:31 am

Who_Am_I wrote:
swbluto wrote:
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Anyway, I have bowling tonight. Such a NT thing to do. :wink:


:lol:

(Asking someone else who's less likely to be offended by this question: It is, isn't it?)


How do real Aspies spend their evenings? At home calculating the number of tiles on their ceiling and then speaking for hours about it to anyone who'll listen, I suppose.


Have you been spying on me?


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05 May 2011, 4:33 am

Vigilans wrote:
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MY FAVOURITE WP MEMBERS ARE THOSE TO DO NOT INDULGE OUR LOWER MAMMALIAN NATURES


Breathing? Pooping? f***ing?


'in front of others'...

Maybe I expect too much? After all we are still all human? Or vulcan?


:lol: Are Vulcans so logical that they don't even poop? Do they simply vacate their bowels through pure mathematical expression on paper?


Have you been spying on me?


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05 May 2011, 4:49 am

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But... I'm drunk so I could just be pulling sh** out of my ass. (no literalism! lol)


I know you said no literalism but...

:eew:

...it was too late. I can't get that image out of my mind now. Thanks.



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05 May 2011, 7:03 am

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For all those who are clueless about "social feedback loops" that demonstrate ones social positioning within the social hierarchy that underlies this phenomenon called 'popularity', please see the last couple of posts. They definitely exist.


What do you propose people do? If they post agreement with somebody else, they get accused of "making chirping sounds" just to iomprove their own popularity. If they post disagreement with somebody else, they get accused of bullying. If they agree with one poster frequently, they get accused of forming a clique. If they post comical reflections or pictures, they get accused of acting NT. What exactly would be an acceptible post? Something that had no connection to any of the other posts in the thread?



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05 May 2011, 2:37 pm

Janissy wrote:
swbluto wrote:
For all those who are clueless about "social feedback loops" that demonstrate ones social positioning within the social hierarchy that underlies this phenomenon called 'popularity', please see the last couple of posts. They definitely exist.


What do you propose people do? If they post agreement with somebody else, they get accused of "making chirping sounds" just to iomprove their own popularity. If they post disagreement with somebody else, they get accused of bullying. If they agree with one poster frequently, they get accused of forming a clique. If they post comical reflections or pictures, they get accused of acting NT. What exactly would be an acceptible post? Something that had no connection to any of the other posts in the thread?


I've come to the conclusion that an acceptable post doesn't exist.


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