Is WP attracting too many of the wrong people
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Thanks for the answer. I can relate to what you're saying here - I mean my first encounter with the idea left me in a kind of personal crisis.
I wish I could say more, but the words aren't there.
Of course, in that event of being diagnosed, I can try to optimize my economic outcomes as apparently many highly intelligent aspies are actually employed in profitable careers, and the social outcomes might follow suit, so it's not necessarily catastrophic. But, still, looking at the article that you linked about the "lost aspies" seemed to paint a picture that seemed I like I might be following and that scares me (What, never having a "successful" relationship because it's outside of my control(I read on another board that some NT girl in a marriage refused to have sex with his aspie husband presumably due to his 'aspie'-inspired un-sexiness.)? NOOOOO!! !!). I'm thinking if it's the case that if one is AS, then a better relational strategy might be finding someone who has similar "AS levels" and then hopefully they'd be more understanding / "on the same wavelength" and then reproduction would be avoided. Of course, there might be 'understanding NTs' out there, but the percentage of "unsuccessful relationships" seems frighteningly high among aspies paired with "pure NTs".
If it's the case that I'm fairly NT and I just have insufficient verbal memory, then optimize the job accordingly and relationships shouldn't be "too badly" impacted by that. Not exactly the ideal outcome, but better than otherwise.
If it's the case that I'm going schizophrenic which I should positively know within a few years, then damn, oh well. The gig is up, lol (And I already have a contingency plan formulated.).
If everything checks out fine, then practice, practice, practice!

I think the OP hasn't been back maybe because she knows this a strong topic here and she knows it's controversial so she does hit and run posts when she knows they won't turn out well as she expects. But I don't think the responses have been bad at all except people calling her a troll and swbluto questioning draelynn's AS and she took it well.
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I don't even really know how I feel about my supposed diagnosis anymore........I mean I got denied for SSI so apparently anxiety, PTSD, serious depression and aspergers does not prevent one from holding a job. I just do not enjoy this society no one will ever understand how I feel so I guess I have to live life feeling this way no matter what it does to my sanity. life is hell so I look forward to the moments in which I can escape and enjoy things. My path could be the wrong one but I really see no other way anymore.
In my case it was a immediate sense of relief. Obviously I was carrying the gene for autism which I passed to my daughter. It made sense as my older brother had a speech delay and was classified as ret*d back in the late 1970's. Then mysteriously he started talking around 10 yrs of age. My parents sent him to regular school after he had an IQ test. He scored 162. Suddenly he was all normal again. Today it all clicks together, he had HFA (he doesn't want to admit this as he was never diagnosed). I must have AS but have no burning desire to seek a formal diagnosis.
My brother works for a major Engineering firm and although has ongoing minor social issues he provides a lot of hope that my HFA daughter will turn out ok. That's what I mean't by instant relief.
I mean, I can relate. My first reaction was instant denial that lasted for a good three years.
The thought first crept into my mind about 3 years ago when I seemed to always seem to piss people off for reasons I didn't understand and never seemed like I could figure out and I jokingly thought "Maybe it's HFA." when I was really thinking I just "haven't met the right people who understand *me*.". But, it's only went seriously into the vogue when another correspondent claimed I interpreted things literally, my language was unusually pedantic for what I felt was "beyond my ability to control", and I did tend to have 'obsessional' type of thinking (I was studying vocabulary 4 hours a day, actually, for about 2 years and I took great joy in reading data tables for pleasure and noticing numerical patterns.) and a lot started to add up. And now, after conversing with others on here, it seems like it could be a real possibility and that scares me a lot because 1) if it was the case that I was a "social dweeb" and simply didn't have enough social experience, then I should be able to practice to become more socially 'mature' so then it would just be a matter of practicing to improve my behavior (Within the limits of my personality). However, if it's due to fundamental neurological diffferences as would be the case with being on the autism spectrum, then there's a "social ceiling" I'll probably never realistically be able to rise above and my employment and social outcomes would be forever negatively impacted by that, regardless of "practice" or "will power" and that scares me because then it's "outside of my control".
Of course, in that event of being diagnosed, I can try to optimize my economic outcomes as apparently many highly intelligent aspies are actually employed in profitable careers, and the social outcomes might follow suit, so it's not necessarily catastrophic. But, still, looking at the article that you linked about the "lost aspies" seemed to paint a picture that seemed I like I might be following and that scares me (What, never having a "successful" relationship because it's outside of my control(I read on another board that some NT girl in a marriage refused to have sex with his aspie husband presumably due to his 'aspie'-inspired un-sexiness.)? NOOOOO!! !!). I'm thinking if it's the case that if one is AS, then a better relational strategy might be finding someone who has similar "AS levels" and then hopefully they'd be more understanding / "on the same wavelength" and then reproduction would be avoided. Of course, there might be 'understanding NTs' out there, but the percentage of "unsuccessful relationships" seems frighteningly high among aspies paired with "pure NTs".
If it's the case that I'm fairly NT and I just have insufficient verbal memory, then optimize the job accordingly and relationships shouldn't be "too badly" impacted by that. Not exactly the ideal outcome, but better than otherwise.
If it's the case that I'm going schizophrenic which I should positively know within a few years, then damn, oh well. The gig is up, lol (And I already have a contingency plan formulated.).
If everything checks out fine, then practice, practice, practice!

You sound so much like me in this post it's ridiculous.

Being diagnosed with AS is not the end of the world. You're still you, all you have is a label for the difficulties you're experiencing. Plus if people or even professionals tell you you'll never be able to do something because of your AS, take it with a grain of salt. I was diagnosed when I was 12, and the psychiatrist told my mum I'd never be in a relationship and effectively I'd be alone for the rest of my life. My mum went home and cried, but as it turned out I eventually managed to have my first boyfriend and first kiss at the age of 19. Relationships are harder, and we generally start later than the average population, but it's not impossible. Regarding jobs and employment, that can vary highly depending on the individual. But it's not worth stressing over; in the end so long as you're working to the best of your individual ability then you should be proud of what you achieve.
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You think that's funny?
He's entitled to laugh at himself, no? That was an earlier state of mind. A more current disposition is characterized by this statement - "it seems like it could be a real possibility and that scares me a lot".
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Lot of people get denied SSI the first time when they really need it. You need to get a lawyer or have your doctors write letters to them telling them why you need SSI and what your struggles are. Also have your family do it too.
Sometimes it takes people more than twice to get approved. My father in law was denied it so he had to get a lawyer to get on it.
You think that's funny?
He's entitled to laugh at himself, no? That was an earlier state of mind. A more current disposition is characterized by this statement - "it seems like it could be a real possibility and that scares me a lot".
I keep reading so many things on these forums that almost scare me because they make so much sense - in contrast to a world in which most of the time nothing seems to make any sense at all.
I mean, so many things I thought were "just me", and here are people talking about those same things in a matter-of-fact way, when I've literally never heard anyone talking about them before, and it has been as if the whole of my life is some kind of dirty secret (for some unknown reason, which is itself a secret).
This is a case in point (just one of many in the last few days, as I've lurked and occasionally posted, never really introducing myself).
It has happened several times that I have said something about my own former state of mind, and people have just not grasped that I can be 'detached', 'objective', 'clinical' (for want of better words) about myself like that. (I think this has caused tremendous trouble for me, but I don't want to attempt an autobiography right now.)
And here is someone grasping that (to me, obvious) idea effortlessly. A simple thing, which I would have thought could be taken for granted. And here, things like that are taken for granted.
Which scares me! If I am among people like myself, then I might actually have to start living, and mourn all the living I haven't done.
I'm trying not to gush, but to be honest, I'm choking a bit, actually holding back tears. Anyone got a hanky? ... Thanks.
I don't mean I'm Aspie. There are lots of other things people discuss here which just aren't "me" at all (e.g. sensory overload, ToM). I might, with a bit of luck, and a following wind, just about scrape a diagnosis of AS under DSM-IV (for example, and for what it's worth), but the feel of it is that my nameless condition (which I can still only think of as "Category X") has a very strong overlap with AS, but I'm also quite NT in lots of ways, just as my Aspie Quiz scores (and even one NHS psychiatrist's passing remarks in a letter to my GP) suggest.
But I think it might be quite important to me to be here.
This has actually proved to be quite an interesting thread.
I'm a bit worried on behalf of the OP, by the way. I don't know her (and anyway, my ToM might be all shot to hell, even if I don't think it is!), but I don't think she was just trolling. She probably didn't mean to come across as snooty as she did (I, for one, was a bit offended, and replied with sarcasm), in which case (I imagine) she is probably upset by the anger her post has caused. It's not for me to say, of course, but it is a worry.
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I mean, I can relate. My first reaction was instant denial that lasted for a good three years.
The thought first crept into my mind about 3 years ago when I seemed to always seem to piss people off for reasons I didn't understand and never seemed like I could figure out and I jokingly thought "Maybe it's HFA." when I was really thinking I just "haven't met the right people who understand *me*.". But, it's only went seriously into the vogue when another correspondent claimed I interpreted things literally, my language was unusually pedantic for what I felt was "beyond my ability to control", and I did tend to have 'obsessional' type of thinking (I was studying vocabulary 4 hours a day, actually, for about 2 years and I took great joy in reading data tables for pleasure and noticing numerical patterns.) and a lot started to add up. And now, after conversing with others on here, it seems like it could be a real possibility and that scares me a lot because 1) if it was the case that I was a "social dweeb" and simply didn't have enough social experience, then I should be able to practice to become more socially 'mature' so then it would just be a matter of practicing to improve my behavior (Within the limits of my personality). However, if it's due to fundamental neurological diffferences as would be the case with being on the autism spectrum, then there's a "social ceiling" I'll probably never realistically be able to rise above and my employment and social outcomes would be forever negatively impacted by that, regardless of "practice" or "will power" and that scares me because then it's "outside of my control".
Of course, in that event of being diagnosed, I can try to optimize my economic outcomes as apparently many highly intelligent aspies are actually employed in profitable careers, and the social outcomes might follow suit, so it's not necessarily catastrophic. But, still, looking at the article that you linked about the "lost aspies" seemed to paint a picture that seemed I like I might be following and that scares me (What, never having a "successful" relationship because it's outside of my control(I read on another board that some NT girl in a marriage refused to have sex with his aspie husband presumably due to his 'aspie'-inspired un-sexiness.)? NOOOOO!! !!). I'm thinking if it's the case that if one is AS, then a better relational strategy might be finding someone who has similar "AS levels" and then hopefully they'd be more understanding / "on the same wavelength" and then reproduction would be avoided. Of course, there might be 'understanding NTs' out there, but the percentage of "unsuccessful relationships" seems frighteningly high among aspies paired with "pure NTs".
If it's the case that I'm fairly NT and I just have insufficient verbal memory, then optimize the job accordingly and relationships shouldn't be "too badly" impacted by that. Not exactly the ideal outcome, but better than otherwise.
If it's the case that I'm going schizophrenic which I should positively know within a few years, then damn, oh well. The gig is up, lol (And I already have a contingency plan formulated.).
If everything checks out fine, then practice, practice, practice!

Sorry buddy,
I didn't realize the context of your post. I'm a bit hyped up from this thread. I need to go have nice cool drink...
cheers
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Lot of people get denied SSI the first time when they really need it. You need to get a lawyer or have your doctors write letters to them telling them why you need SSI and what your struggles are. Also have your family do it too.
Sometimes it takes people more than twice to get approved. My father in law was denied it so he had to get a lawyer to get on it.
Also, and if I have correctly understood the related SSA rules, an attorney is actually required (at least for an appeal hearing) whenever any disability other than something purely physical is being considered. In other words: Anybody can go (or on the phone) make an initial application on his or her own, but an attorney might still be a good idea from the very beginning (if the attorney is willing to become involved that soon since attorneys are required to work on a contingency-percentage basis and might not be willing to take a case at the very beginning since their percentage of the initial payment (including any retroactive ruling) would only be negligible).
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Hello.
I read most of the posts and I appreciate for your feedback (as long as it wasn't about calling me a troll). I now understand why some don't have a diagnosis. The thing was is that there are 100's of mental disorders so one should claim to have some disorder because they are familiar with it. There are disorders that happen to be similar to each other. Again, sorry if I came off as a b****.
As for those who were wondering why I didn't post right away is because I have classes (finals coming up), clubs, and I have other activities and events that I go to. I usually don't post until late at night and not everyday. It's 2:13AM where I'm at right now.
I read most of the posts and I appreciate for your feedback (as long as it wasn't about calling me a troll). I now understand why some don't have a diagnosis. The thing was is that there are 100's of mental disorders so one should claim to have some disorder because they are familiar with it. There are disorders that happen to be similar to each other. Again, sorry if I came off as a b****.
As for those who were wondering why I didn't post right away is because I have classes (finals coming up), clubs, and I have other activities and events that I go to. I usually don't post until late at night and not everyday. It's 2:13AM where I'm at right now.
Did you meant to say "The thing was is that there are 100's of mental disorders so no one should claim to have some disorder because they are familiar with it?"
Well you sure didn't come back to this thread since you had posted it but yet were on this forum since then but I guess you forgotten all about this thread until now?
And here is someone grasping that (to me, obvious) idea effortlessly. A simple thing, which I would have thought could be taken for granted. And here, things like that are taken for granted.
Off topic to reply to this, but - do many people really think it's strange to think about and analyze earlier states of mind? When I've talked about such things, no one's ever commented on it. But perhaps I've just been lucky...
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I read most of the posts and I appreciate for your feedback (as long as it wasn't about calling me a troll). I now understand why some don't have a diagnosis. The thing was is that there are 100's of mental disorders so one should claim to have some disorder because they are familiar with it. There are disorders that happen to be similar to each other. Again, sorry if I came off as a b****.
As for those who were wondering why I didn't post right away is because I have classes (finals coming up), clubs, and I have other activities and events that I go to. I usually don't post until late at night and not everyday. It's 2:13AM where I'm at right now.
Did you meant to say "The thing was is that there are 100's of mental disorders so no one should claim to have some disorder because they are familiar with it?"
That's for the correction.
Well you sure didn't come back to this thread since you had posted it but yet were on this forum since then but I guess you forgotten all about this thread until now?
It was posted 2 days ago, so I have not forgotten it. I have a rather busy life. I don't know why you're being so hostile?
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