Invader wrote:
The "fine" part is obvious for the reason stated above, but you're always supposed to ask it in return. Even though I know this I almost never do it. It feels like such a painfully awkward and creepy thing to say.
Not only do you usually never really care how the other person is doing (you just want it to be finished, and for them to go away) but you also know that the other person doesn't actually care how you're doing either, you know they don't care about your answer but you also know that they know that you don't really care how they're doing either. when you ask the question in return.
It is so confusingly pointless. They know neither of you care, and you know it too. So why do we have to do it?
What you wrote is absolutely true. I leaqvnvcaldjncasd! lvrflar! I can't bear the awkwardness of asking back! I tried! I tried asking in return! But it sounds so wrong! Every time I tried it was so jgvdfrnvdkv frustrating! kjvvrne!
(sorry for the "jnvdknlnv" but I just finished a terribly awkward courtesy phone call to a relative and retvwreqverqvw)
Invader wrote:
Usually someone who had read a psychology book or two would try to explain this as a way of bonding, a soacial "give and take" to show the NT that you are both open to interacting with each other, and are capable of showing interest in each other's affairs. Right, ok, but that explains nothing. We all know that it is fake and we all know that we all know. So this "give or take" is not actually happening at all, and the frequent occurance of this little ritual only serves to remind us that this bond is false, instead of doing the opposite as intended.
It is so mind-bogglingly irrational and stupid, I literally cringe every single time I'm faced with this situation. I know I have to say it but I just can't, it's like I seize up and my body just won't let me say it.
It's as if they are not able to start a conversation in a sincere way. They expect you to say something that is really just a conventionality, and are disappointed or offended if you don't answer or ask the right things.
To me it would make just as much sense if conversations started with "My kitchen table started levitating" "Oh, well, I saw a cat driving a car".
Invader wrote:
It's different when there's something that I genuinely want to know, but even then, if it's about their personal well-being it will still feel quite awkward. It can be difficult to know how to phrase that kind of question, unless we are on very familiar terms with each other, a familiarity where some physical contact is not entirely unusual and personal space is less rigidly defined. For various reasons, that makes a question like "how is your arm/leg/head?" seem more appropriate, possibly because frequently being in close proximity to their body has made its status seem like more of a legitimate concern, perhaps in the way that people sometimes feel a sense of shared responsibility for items which they both use.
And I don't just mean in some sexual way, although it might sound like it. I mean things as simple as frequently making contact while passing things to each other, like, a lighter or something. I won't feel weird asking how an arm is doing if it's an arm which has passed me a lighter a few million times. Without that kind of prior contact, I won't know how to ask without feeling strange, being overly self-conscious and feeling like I'm speaking in an unusual or forced tone of voice, which they will pick up on, and let their imagination run wild thinking about the reason why I'm speaking so oddly. If I can't see any reason why I would have any legitimate concern about their well-being, it just feels wrong to ask, even when I want to know.
Wow, I seem to have rambled a lot about such a small and pointless thing.
If it's something I want to know, I always try to get that information indirectly rather than by asking (if I can avoid it).
If I ask, it's about something specific, concrete and is a problem that persist when I'm asking.