What's the right answer to "how are you?"

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25 Mar 2012, 4:47 am

goodwitchy wrote:
I don't like when most people ask how I am because I know most people don't expect or want the truth.

I either answer with the expected fake response, or I just make a noise and fake a smile, not really answering them but acknowledging their question.


Same here. I think people ask to be polite. They don't really want to hear "I'm glad you asked. I'm actually doing terrible".


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25 Mar 2012, 5:21 am

Fine, and how are you?


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25 Mar 2012, 6:08 am

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The "fine" part is obvious for the reason stated above, but you're always supposed to ask it in return. Even though I know this I almost never do it. It feels like such a painfully awkward and creepy thing to say.

Not only do you usually never really care how the other person is doing (you just want it to be finished, and for them to go away) but you also know that the other person doesn't actually care how you're doing either, you know they don't care about your answer but you also know that they know that you don't really care how they're doing either. when you ask the question in return.

It is so confusingly pointless. They know neither of you care, and you know it too. So why do we have to do it?


What you wrote is absolutely true. I leaqvnvcaldjncasd! lvrflar! I can't bear the awkwardness of asking back! I tried! I tried asking in return! But it sounds so wrong! Every time I tried it was so jgvdfrnvdkv frustrating! kjvvrne!

(sorry for the "jnvdknlnv" but I just finished a terribly awkward courtesy phone call to a relative and retvwreqverqvw)

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Usually someone who had read a psychology book or two would try to explain this as a way of bonding, a soacial "give and take" to show the NT that you are both open to interacting with each other, and are capable of showing interest in each other's affairs. Right, ok, but that explains nothing. We all know that it is fake and we all know that we all know. So this "give or take" is not actually happening at all, and the frequent occurance of this little ritual only serves to remind us that this bond is false, instead of doing the opposite as intended.

It is so mind-bogglingly irrational and stupid, I literally cringe every single time I'm faced with this situation. I know I have to say it but I just can't, it's like I seize up and my body just won't let me say it.


It's as if they are not able to start a conversation in a sincere way. They expect you to say something that is really just a conventionality, and are disappointed or offended if you don't answer or ask the right things.
To me it would make just as much sense if conversations started with "My kitchen table started levitating" "Oh, well, I saw a cat driving a car".

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It's different when there's something that I genuinely want to know, but even then, if it's about their personal well-being it will still feel quite awkward. It can be difficult to know how to phrase that kind of question, unless we are on very familiar terms with each other, a familiarity where some physical contact is not entirely unusual and personal space is less rigidly defined. For various reasons, that makes a question like "how is your arm/leg/head?" seem more appropriate, possibly because frequently being in close proximity to their body has made its status seem like more of a legitimate concern, perhaps in the way that people sometimes feel a sense of shared responsibility for items which they both use.

And I don't just mean in some sexual way, although it might sound like it. I mean things as simple as frequently making contact while passing things to each other, like, a lighter or something. I won't feel weird asking how an arm is doing if it's an arm which has passed me a lighter a few million times. Without that kind of prior contact, I won't know how to ask without feeling strange, being overly self-conscious and feeling like I'm speaking in an unusual or forced tone of voice, which they will pick up on, and let their imagination run wild thinking about the reason why I'm speaking so oddly. If I can't see any reason why I would have any legitimate concern about their well-being, it just feels wrong to ask, even when I want to know.

Wow, I seem to have rambled a lot about such a small and pointless thing.


If it's something I want to know, I always try to get that information indirectly rather than by asking (if I can avoid it).
If I ask, it's about something specific, concrete and is a problem that persist when I'm asking.



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27 Mar 2012, 8:55 am

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I've recently come up with a new system that I use in which I give x, y, and z co-ordinates for my mood.

X: Left to right (political). Left is -10, right is 10, neutral is 0
Y: Up to down, Up is motivated/energized/happy (+10), down is tired/unmotivated/depressed
Z: Front to back, -10 is bored, 0 is neutral, 10 is busy

So a conversation could potentially go like this:
Friend: How are you?
Me: 0, -2, 10


Unfortunately this would require an explanation and, for some people, a diagram. I'm still trying to solve the problem of accurately and quickly answering "how are you?"

This is fascinating! :) I admire your mind.

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I know a lot of times when I answer "fine" they often ask "what's wrong?" When there was nothing wrong at all.

It depends on your tone and your expression when you say "Fine" If you saiy "Fine, thanks! :D" or something as opposed to "Oh, fine..." with a straight or somewhat meloncholy expression common to many of us when feeling neutral (added extra words for emphasis of the difference between the two phrases) then people can interpret those two things completely differently and the second one will make them think you aren't feeling well and are being tactful about it. Most people wouldn't answer "Terrible" to "How are you" even if they were in the hospital recovering from some sort of ailmnent. "Been better" or "Hanging in there" or "Ohhh... alright..." are more common ways to say "not so good" And even "not so good" is more common than "terrible"

Invader wrote:
Usually someone who had read a psychology book or two would try to explain this as a way of bonding, a soacial "give and take" to show the NT that you are both open to interacting with each other, and are capable of showing interest in each other's affairs. Right, ok, but that explains nothing. We all know that it is fake and we all know that we all know. So this "give or take" is not actually happening at all, and the frequent occurance of this little ritual only serves to remind us that this bond is false, instead of doing the opposite as intended.

I'm wondering if this has more to do with alamgamation, as most NT behaviors do. Humans are herd animals and have strong instincts of "joining" "bonding" "belonging" and their little rituals are ways to assure eachother that they're on the same page together. Like dogs sniffing eachother's butts. No offense intended, I actually love dogs. It's just that canines have their own little reassurances to do when they meet eachother too. "You're a dog, I'm a dog, we have the same perception of our relationship .. ok carry on."


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27 Mar 2012, 8:59 am

Nah they don't really ask me that. But saying I'm fine thank you is the way to go.


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27 Mar 2012, 9:34 am

This taught me something new. I would have thought "hanging in there" meant good.



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27 Mar 2012, 9:42 am

hanyo wrote:
This taught me something new. I would have thought "hanging in there" meant good.


Until you wrote that I always thought "hanging in there" means you're doing pretty well. What a shock. Seriously.



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27 Mar 2012, 9:55 am

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27 Mar 2012, 2:30 pm

Thinking about it, "How are you?" isn't a greeting used by close NT friends. Well, maybe sometimes, but they tend to phrase it differently, and mean it more.

It's instead a greeting for friends of friends, for associates, or for people you're newly acquainted with or forced into meeting (for work, let's say).

On that basis, I wonder if the "How are you?" ritual is actually a way of keeping distance, like a verbal barricade? Or of assessing risk, based on the friendliness of the response to this fairly non-commital greeting? Or even a way of asserting or evaluating status, based on the nuances of the replies?


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27 Mar 2012, 3:07 pm

Ha, I just walked into the conference room at work where several people were obviously working on a computer problem. I said to one guy "What's going on?", and he said "Oh, Hi" back. I then explained that it wasn't a rhetorical question (or a greeting) -- I really wanted to know what was going on!



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04 Apr 2012, 11:53 am

Where I work it is common for most employees to greet with, "How are you?" When I am asked that greeting I usually say, "Pretty good," or "Not too bad." Those have become my scripted responses.


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04 Apr 2012, 1:00 pm

A few weeks ago I overheard some NTs talking in one of my classes and one of them remarked that if someone asks that answering "fine" is "passive-aggressive." Perhaps this only applies in situations where there is an expectation of interest in the answer, but in the context it didn't seem to me like that was the case.

And to think I always either say "fine" or "fine, how are you?" 8O

I wonder how someone would respond to a pun about the other person being "fine" too.



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04 Apr 2012, 1:09 pm

The response I tend to give at this point is "I have a kitty".

This manages to be a reasonable answer for everything from happy and excited through miserable.

When its someone I'd trust with giving an more descriptive answer to, I'll do so (which often means that they get "I don't know").



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04 Apr 2012, 1:12 pm

If it's a cute lady I say: "I'm good, or at least I try to be."



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04 Apr 2012, 11:34 pm

I usually say, "I'm okay"...which generally IS the truth. If I am horrible, people can tell and never ask "how are you", and I don't know what great or fantastic feels like, so I don't go to that extreme. I'm okay works nicely. And then, if I care, I add "how are you?"


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05 Apr 2012, 4:05 am

Ugh, everyone seems to ask this question here...couriers, supermarket attendants, random people on the street... My automatic response is ''I'm good, thanks. How are you?''

...Once I said it before the girl at the supermaked checkout had actually asked :oops: