Am i the only one with NO empathy for the Cinema Massacre?

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26 Jul 2012, 3:08 am

The OP is 16 years old, and thinking/acting similar to a semi-evil sociopath is relatively normal for teenagers I've noticed. :roll:



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26 Jul 2012, 3:16 am

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I'm of the opinion that if you are a 16-year-old boy in New Zealand, like the OP, or of any age living anywhere else, who does not read in depth the news stories about other people's tragedies or has not felt a personal family or friend loss, then AS or not, you are just not going to care about or feel sympathetic towards other people who suffer horrible tragedies as the Aurora massacre. Honestly why should people's deaths in mass killings, single murders, train wrecks, tsunamis, earthquakes, drownings, car accidents, wars, etc. even bother anyone, especially if their deaths occur half way around the world?

But then again, with time, experience, including learning to love somebody other than our individual selves -- which may lead one toward feeling a part of the human race -- those of us who are/were callow youths may grow into thinking and feeling a kinship towards the plight of our fellow man. We may even learn to like them. When they die, we may appreciate the finality of their deaths and to mourn them. If we tell their loved ones, "I am sorry for you loss," we may even mean it. Thus we have become empathetic and human.

Then again, if no one's death, not even that of our parents, siblings or so-called best friends, affects us with sorrow and grief, then maybe we're really just androids after all.


A wise but horrible man once said (and I paraphrase): " A single death is a tragedy, but a million deaths is a statistic." That man's name was Josef Stalin. He understood the human tendency to become numb to events when the numbers were large, and not involving people directly known by the listener. This isn't an NT vs ASD issue then, but rather one of how we as humans deal with a constant data stream of bad news and death. The 24 hour news cycle is serving to lessen the impact of events such as these since there is just so much data to process that you can't afford to concentrate on one story like you could in the past.

I think that any of us who gets deeply involved in learning about the humanity of the individual victims in this massacre will be moved. However, those of us who have a more cursory level of knowledge about what happened will be less likely to feel much as the numbers just become useless statistics rather than human lives. That doesn't make us evil or any less human but rather seems to be a natural reaction to a given level of information.


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26 Jul 2012, 3:19 am

I tend to feel sad about deaths, even when they're people I don't know. It's a tremendous injustice that these things happen, whether mass murder, or dying to natural disaster, starvation, disease, war, genocide, etc.



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26 Jul 2012, 5:34 am

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Bunnynose wrote:
I'm of the opinion that if you are a 16-year-old boy in New Zealand, like the OP, or of any age living anywhere else, who does not read in depth the news stories about other people's tragedies or has not felt a personal family or friend loss, then AS or not, you are just not going to care about or feel sympathetic towards other people who suffer horrible tragedies as the Aurora massacre. Honestly why should people's deaths in mass killings, single murders, train wrecks, tsunamis, earthquakes, drownings, car accidents, wars, etc. even bother anyone, especially if their deaths occur half way around the world?

But then again, with time, experience, including learning to love somebody other than our individual selves -- which may lead one toward feeling a part of the human race -- those of us who are/were callow youths may grow into thinking and feeling a kinship towards the plight of our fellow man. We may even learn to like them. When they die, we may appreciate the finality of their deaths and to mourn them. If we tell their loved ones, "I am sorry for you loss," we may even mean it. Thus we have become empathetic and human.

Then again, if no one's death, not even that of our parents, siblings or so-called best friends, affects us with sorrow and grief, then maybe we're really just androids after all.


A wise but horrible man once said (and I paraphrase): " A single death is a tragedy, but a million deaths is a statistic." That man's name was Josef Stalin. He understood the human tendency to become numb to events when the numbers were large, and not involving people directly known by the listener. This isn't an NT vs ASD issue then, but rather one of how we as humans deal with a constant data stream of bad news and death. The 24 hour news cycle is serving to lessen the impact of events such as these since there is just so much data to process that you can't afford to concentrate on one story like you could in the past.

I think that any of us who gets deeply involved in learning about the humanity of the individual victims in this massacre will be moved. However, those of us who have a more cursory level of knowledge about what happened will be less likely to feel much as the numbers just become useless statistics rather than human lives. That doesn't make us evil or any less human but rather seems to be a natural reaction to a given level of information.



Very true. I feel sorrow and compasion for victims of war, and natural disasters etc, but to be honest, I heard about this shooting and groaned and thought " Well there's another one. " I heard somewhere that there is one gun for every U.S, citizen. That's a frightening statistic. And people can go the "guns don't kill people. people do" line as much as they want, but the truth is cars kill people too: but they arn't DESIGNED to: guns are!

I feel sorry those people died, but to the rest of the world , it was hardly a surprise.



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26 Jul 2012, 6:53 am

Empathy, conscience, and sympathy are all quite different things. Lack all three and you're James Holmes.

I think it might be possible to have sympathy for someone (putting yourself in their position), even though it might be hard to have empathy (seeing things from their perspective).



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26 Jul 2012, 8:13 am

Regarding the image that OP showed, I strongly suspect it was created by an NT of the same kind that originated "jokes" about such things as the Ethiopian famine of 1983-1985, the spaceShuttle Challenger crash, and the sinking of the Titanic.
So, what's the excuse for NTs displaying such behaviour?



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26 Jul 2012, 8:30 am

Am I stupid for just not getting why this photo should be seen as funny? Is it my autistic mind? I usually get jokes and use humour myself a lot, when I interact with my friends. This s**t looks tasteless and offensive to me. Even if I got the humour, I'd still think that death is not a reason to laugh. But I honestly don't get it.

Other than that, on the topic of empathy, if I overhear or casually read about disasters like this, I get feelings like the ones described by Callista and Verdandi. If I dwell on it and start thinking more in-depth about what happened, my mind begins picturing and imagining (in pictures) the events, as if in a movie. That's how my brain works, I think in pictures and all the pictures have strong emotional connections tied into them. As a result, a strong feeling of empathy kicks in, maybe too much empathy, and it almost makes me sick to think about the pain of those who loved the victims and the fact that so many poor innocent people died. I think boths are forms of empathy and equally valid. I think none is the NT kind of empathy though. I really don't know how empathy works for NTs. For me, there's no middle ground. When I was a kid, apparently I lacked empathy - now, I'm almost too empathetic.

Now about 16-year olds and empathy... there seems to be a trend for teens to be less empathetic than adults. I've noticed it in myself and my NT best friend says she noticed it in herself too. I remember watching Mel Gibson's Passion Of The Christ when I was 17 and I didn't even flinch. I tried to understand what was the artistic purpose of showing so much blood. At 22, I simply couldn't bear watching it again, because of the empathy I felt when I saw the violent scenes...


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26 Jul 2012, 8:37 am

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Am I stupid for just not getting why this photo should be seen as funny? Is it my autistic mind? I usually get jokes and use humour myself a lot, when I interact with my friends. This sh** looks tasteless and offensive to me. Even if I got the humour, I'd still think that death is not a reason to laugh. But I honestly don't get it.


Not just you, I don't think it's funny and not because it's offensive (it is) I just don't think it's funny.



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26 Jul 2012, 8:45 am

bnky wrote:
Regarding the image that OP showed, I strongly suspect it was created by an NT of the same kind that originated "jokes" about such things as the Ethiopian famine of 1983-1985, the spaceShuttle Challenger crash, and the sinking of the Titanic.
So, what's the excuse for NTs displaying such behaviour?


NT teenagers are often very similar to sociopaths in their behavior. By the way how do know those jokes were created by an NT? More likely by a real sociopath.



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26 Jul 2012, 8:50 am

bnky wrote:
Regarding the image that OP showed, I strongly suspect it was created by an NT of the same kind that originated "jokes" about such things as the Ethiopian famine of 1983-1985, the spaceShuttle Challenger crash, and the sinking of the Titanic.
So, what's the excuse for NTs displaying such behaviour?


Steven_Tyler77 wrote:
Am I stupid for just not getting why this photo should be seen as funny? Is it my autistic mind? I usually get jokes and use humour myself a lot, when I interact with my friends. This sh** looks tasteless and offensive to me. Even if I got the humour, I'd still think that death is not a reason to laugh. But I honestly don't get it.


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Not just you, I don't think it's funny and not because it's offensive (it is) I just don't think it's funny.


I don't completely understand it, but I believe part of it may be attributed to a twisted form of coping mechanism. After 9/11 happened, there were also a lot of jokes going around in my class. Similarly when a famous Dutch rockstar, Herman Brood, committed suicide by jumping off a building. And when the Marc Dutroux child abuse case (Belgium) was in the news in the mid-90s, elementary school kids were joking about that.

I think making light of something horrible, is a way of dealing with it for a segment of the people. I personally don't fully comprehend it, as I said, and I used to be taken aback by jokes like that, but I think people may be doing it to prevent dipping themselves into too pessimistic a world view. Obviously, not nearly everyone crosses that line.


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26 Jul 2012, 8:51 am

jonny23 wrote:
Steven_Tyler77 wrote:
Am I stupid for just not getting why this photo should be seen as funny? Is it my autistic mind? I usually get jokes and use humour myself a lot, when I interact with my friends. This sh** looks tasteless and offensive to me. Even if I got the humour, I'd still think that death is not a reason to laugh. But I honestly don't get it.


Not just you, I don't think it's funny and not because it's offensive (it is) I just don't think it's funny.

I just had another look at the image and it just confirmed my suspicion that it was created by an NT rather than an Aspie/Autie. It's not only devoid of any humour, but it doesn't make any logical sense - "Grand Theft"?? Was it a robbery? No. It's obviously just 3 images that have been dumped together by a moron with a template for the "Grand Theft Auto" game cover.



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26 Jul 2012, 9:08 am

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I just had another look at the image and it just confirmed my suspicion that it was created by an NT rather than an Aspie/Autie. It's not only devoid of any humour, but it doesn't make any logical sense - "Grand Theft"?? Was it a robbery? No. It's obviously just 3 images that have been dumped together by a moron with a template for the "Grand Theft Auto" game cover.


Playing devil's advocate for this tasteless macro, but I think part of the pun is that both 'auto' and 'Aurora' start with the letters 'au'. And GTA is full of shootups.

I checked out the Facebook page of the user who made this image, and that's pretty much all he or she does. Flanking this GTA spoof is an image of Cleveland from Family Guy crashing in his bathtub through the window of one of the burning Twin Towers. Probably created as a way of saying 'See LOL I make fun of EVERYTHING! Not just the cinema shooting!'

I remain unconvinced that this person must be non-autistic, I can imagine an autistic mind coming up with stuff like this. Logic be damned.


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26 Jul 2012, 10:11 am

I should comment on my own feelings toward the shooting, as I have neglected to do so. I'm not certain I can say I empathise, as I've always found empathy a difficult concept. I do sympathise with the victims, like other members above. But mostly, I feel contempt for what this man has done, as it was such a very cowardly act. I've heard that he may have done it because he felt bullied by others- which makes it more reprehensible that he would take his anger out on innocent strangers, who moreover were not expecting the attack at all. They were in a state of recreation, watching a movie- defenceless. That's tantamount to killing someone in their sleep. He's basically become just like anyone who may have bullied him, only a hundred times worse. You don't need to be empathetic to be upset or disgusted by this.


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26 Jul 2012, 11:03 am

Personally I hate it when someone says to me "I know exactly how you feel (blah blah blah)". I find it annoying, insulting and that they're belittling the problem. If that's empathy then I think empathy is a bit over-rated. That may just be me... or it may be an Aspie thing?



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26 Jul 2012, 11:42 am

I took the liberty of rewriting your post, just to seperate the two conflicting thought groups. No words added or deleted, just rearranged.

'You know what happened with that dude shooting people in the cinema during Batman.

I honestly don't care and feel no saddness towards any of it. I have no feeling and really don't give a f**k unless it happends to me or is something to do with my disability. I laughed my ass off when I saw this in my facebook not 5 minutes ago:

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And though I've got Aspergers, I'm not a horrible person. And want to feel bad, but yet I just don't.
I don't know why, but it seems it's like this with everything'


I think this attitude isn't necessarily a function of your Aspergers. It may have something to do with it, but I have also met countless NTs with simliar attitudes.

I think you are being honest, so, so shall I. If you trully want to 'feel bad', one thing you can try is to mentally and in great detail, put yourself into the shoes and shattered life of a wounded victim. Or imagine one of them was your child that you raised. Or imagine it did happen to you and see your new life paralyized from the neck down.

One thing I believe is if you are not willing to see things from another's perspective, don't complain when someone doesn't care to see yours. When you see people as meaningless it classifies you as meaningless as well. Open season for the next monster going for the highscore.



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26 Jul 2012, 11:54 am

The OP probably starts whining like a little b***h when something bad happens to him. lol