High School male with AS stabs classmate.

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Whoa now! My main point was not all people with AS think it's okay to kill someone because they're being bullied, if this John kid was being bullied or not. However, you’re right, I got the idea John was being bullied because of the talk about it. I would say the bully-talk came from many AS people being bullied in school and instantly saw themselves in John because of him having AS. Looking at his picture I personally didn't see innocence though.

To one extent, bullying did take place and John was the bully. Just because someone has AS doesn’t mean they’re always the victim. One example of that is Jeanette Purkis, author of “Finding a Different Kind of Normal”. She was mean, violent and angry because she knew she was different. She took it out on other kids in school and also spent time in prison before finding out she had AS. Her example shows that the ones who bully or create violence usually have some kind of problem themselves.

Another point I was making is this happened between high school students “again” while at school. Those who run the schools aren’t doing enough to prevent these types of things from happening. There is so much they could do and it’s like they just keep looking the other way and when it does happen everybody’s all shocked over it. It’s just going to happen again and again.

His classmate must have really been giving him a hard time.

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO40652/

Another article, this one has some info on AS and murder cases.

I don't think that it is a foregone conclusion that the boy who did the stabbing is the villain here. It's the game that they play. A bully can do a lot of damage before he is charged with a crime. The victim often can't even put a bruise on the bully, and the bully has long since learned how to pretend that his victim is the one who is doing wrong. The first time that any victim can even make a dent on the bully, he is probably using a lethal weapon. It isn't just that the victim can't win, he can't even make a meaningful reply. His personhood, his life, his essential being, his control over his life in a big way is absolutely zero and that's what the bully wants to impress upon him. It is a living death.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articl ... _students/

You have no idea how many times I wish I had had the guts to kill one of the f*****s that always used to pick on me. I swear if I'd been tripped in the hallway or had my books knocked out of my hands one more time I may actually have done it! Bully's deserve what they get I say!

Had I had access to a gun in grade school or high school, one or two bullies probably woudn't have lived. I know what its like. The teachers just look the other way. Nothing is ever done. Most of the guys in hs who bothered me were on the football or other teams and very popular. I was a scrawny weak kid who didn't pose much of a threat to them. I wouldn't have been right but i would have been avenged. When will they learn???? WHEN? How many must die?? This is just the tip of the iceberg. For eveyone who lashes out, I'm sure that there are 100 more who kill themselves instead. That never makes the news for long though. No one cares about the quit kid who kept to himself when he dies.

I guess it's a good thing you didn't have access to a gun. If you had, you might be in prison right now.

In answer to your question, no, you would NOT be wrong to kill your rapist. Just make sure you don't get caught. That worthless piece of garbage that raped you didn't just single you out. Chances are that he has raped many before you and has raped many after you. Any man that would take away a woman's dignity and self respect by robbing her of her sexual freedom is an abusive, hurtful, harmful, and worthless sack of crap in general. If you were to ever find out that your rapist has died, feel happy that the world is now a better place.

The thing is, if you kill, then others can do unto you what you do unto them.

I've never been bullied. I've watched kids be bullied. I dont know what they did that was wrong. I do know that anytime I was GOING to be "bullied," I diverted the conversation. I found something about the bully I could talk about. I found "common" ground. I could "fake" being anyones friend. I didnt want to be there friend, i just gave them enough to piss off and bother someone else.

But, killing someone who bullied you? The whole stance on bullying is that its "wrong" so killing is easily "wrong."

Not saying that killing is justifiable, just strictly commenting on your ability to divert the conversation.

My son does not have the ability to divert or re-direct a conversation. He also can't "fake" being anyone's friend and these are not skills that can be taught because sadly more often than not he cannot take what he's learned in one situation and apply it to another situation.

So here's a question... For the kids that don't have the ability to re-direct a bully, how do they avoid being bullied without being the "tattle-tale" or "cry-baby"?

As an adult who was very bullied as a child, both out of the home by school yard bullies and in the home by my mother, and as the mother of a very much bullied child (only out of the home, not at home with us) I am finding this thread very interesting and would love to hear suggestions to give my son on how to avoid the bullies, taking his inabilities into account.

I was never able to stop the bullies so I don't have a clue what to tell my son about how to avoid it.

Thank you,
Diane

Well, if they are dead then how are they going to do unto you?

From my experience bullies generate a life threatening situation for their victems. I have nearly been killed by a bully on several occassions. One has the right to stop another from killing one even if that means that one must kill in doing so, perhaps the right is not recognized by the legal system but it still exists.

If we have such an eye-for-an-eye attitude going on, why are we supporting lethal stabbing? Someone please step forward that's been stabbed with a knife, preferably lethally.

Seriously, if someone's flushed your head in a toilet or banged a locker door repeatedly against your face or poured hot oil on you, well shite, it should be your very right to return the favour! Bullies are nasty, horrible people (been bullied myself, yes) but while most of them deserve to be punished for their brutality, unless they are murderers themselves, then it's hardly fair to say they deserve to die. Be put through as much misery as their victims yes! But not murder.

An example of kids that probably would be on the top of the list for a death wish...the list on the news last night here in NZ...juvenile delinquents that HAVE murdered. Dropping several kgs of concrete block onto someone from a motorway overpass, instantly killing the driver of the car (15 years old), beating a pizza delivery boy to death with a softball bat because it's cool and proves soemthing to your mates, who seemed to help out during the morbid process (12 years old), stabbing an elderly woman to death for her purse and shopping (15 I think)...the list goes on. THESE people are the ones that you need to worry about. When you're sitting at a bus shelter and they slit your throat for your wallet, THAT'S when you have someone to wish a miserable death on.

Bullies are cowards...they don't want to get in trouble, they simply want to laud it over someone else they feel for some stupid reason they're better than (they're blockheads though...you can usually outsmart them). They deserve to have THEIR heads slammed in locker doors. Not stabbed to death...

Oh and of course there's this...

So it's possible to rule out bullying in this situation anyway. It's time to take a more objective look at this case, methinks...

(and not abiding by your country's laws is pretty farken stupid. You're a member of their society, you follow their rules...or be smited from above.)

A bully being killed because the person is fighting back is NOT murder. Some people here seem to think that.

It's only self-defence if you use REASONABLE force. If they're trying to stab you with a knife but you fight back with a knife yourself, and happen to kill them, that's manslaughter of account of self defence is it not? If they punch you and you stab them to death, that's murder.

I've been through the living death. I have sustained injuries, though not so bad. I've had threats made against my life. Teachers and parents have conspired with the bullies. Some people have been killed directly and some by suicide. I think that some have died of broken hearts.

What constitutes reasonable force against this again?