The Universe does not revolve around the autistic community

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04 Apr 2014, 4:04 pm

Boy that cat parade really got stuck in your craw. Maybe if you post a picture of a cat you'll be able to choke it out.


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04 Apr 2014, 5:00 pm

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04 Apr 2014, 5:09 pm

GregCav wrote:
Thanks Verdandi, passive-aggressive is exactly what he is.
I'm wondering if I can make any headway into his attitude problems. So far nobody in this thread has made a dent on him. (His profile says he's male).

Myrtonos wrote:
Sure, one can have AS and still succeed in the "normal" world. But I've heard that the normal world will not adapt to odd behaviour typical of those on the spectrum, so those who do succeed would have adjusted. Yes, one can have AS and still go through school normally, without aides, and even acheive social success without mentors. But aspies and especially auties are less likely to acheive such success.


You're speaking generally, but you also keep correcting people for speaking generally or about themselves specifically.

We know very well that we have to fit into the world as best we can. What is your point? Do you have any point other than constantly correcting us, only to generalise once again?

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Furthermore, if you want other people to take you seriously when you talk about your special interests, I sure hope you actually deal with reality, rather than simply spouting neat ideas you want to be true, this is not to say whether such ideas are true or not. There may be many aspies that already do this, and many that don't.


This is insulting, belittling and derogatory. You are an angry person. Though I don't know what happened that caused you sign up to this board to tell us how to act, how to think, and what we should talk about.

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No, it's quite different. Yes you probably do already know that "aspies shouldn’t rattle on about their special interests when they notice others are bored."...

Exhibit A; You are telling us how we should act, and how our talking "should" be taken by others.

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I'm not sure how reliable the sources you mention are, as I'm not that familiar with them.

I laughed out loud at this one. Just a couple posts previous you were telling us about using Wiki as a reliable reference.

Myrtonos, the way you doggedly stick to your opinions in this thread, never conceding a point or giving an inch, is to me at least, exactly what you are accusing us of doing....


Are you making fun of Wikipedia Greg Cav? Are you, huh? Cause I love Wikipedia! :D



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04 Apr 2014, 5:19 pm

I mentioned using wikipedia as a source, and Myrtonos responded with stuff I don't really remember all that well.

My point about it was that wikipedia is viable as an informal source, especially given that wiki pages tend to have links back to primary sources, many of which are available online. It's an inappropriate source to use in academic writing, but informal internet discussions tend to hang arguments on much thinner threads than that.



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04 Apr 2014, 5:22 pm

Wikipedia is viable if they make copious use of outside sources. It should carry at least the burden of a regular encyclopedia. I happen to use it very much on an everyday basis. If I'm skeptical, I just conduct more research dealing with the topic.



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04 Apr 2014, 5:24 pm

littlebee wrote:
Here it is presumably different. This venue is set up to discuss various ideas and communicate...

The first 4 pages we were asking questions and for a better definition of what he was trying to say.
Then we got bored and started talking among ourselves.

We did give it a good shot at discussing the ideas of the OP's thread. Nobody agreed with him, that it was out ego that makes us talk about our special interest. But you're open to the idea, or some tangent of the idea.

so far the discussion hasn't moved an inch since the original OP statement. But it has gone to 8 pages, with minimum hositility. So I think that's pretty good.



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04 Apr 2014, 5:33 pm

I think it's a really good academic resource, but then I am skeptical of anything by nature. I wouldn't as a general rule take one book or one web page or one anything as gospel truth. We see even scientific papers sometimes have lies and errors. IF you use your brain along with the WIkipedia, it's a pretty darned good resource. I think Jimmy Wales should have gotten a Nobel prize for bringing that to the masses. IT was the precursor to Kahn Academy and iTunesU.



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04 Apr 2014, 5:39 pm

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Besides, cats write it! :D



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04 Apr 2014, 5:39 pm

Verdandi wrote:
I mentioned using wikipedia as a source, and Myrtonos responded with stuff I don't really remember all that well.


I gave a link, not to a wikipedia article, but to a content guideline to give an idea on what counts as a reputabe source.



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05 Apr 2014, 11:33 am

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I still have this snapshot in my mind of myself knowing she was cold and talking on for another minute before I said----you look like you're cold, which released her to go.....that is a very interesting picture to look at-- what I was feeling in that moment when I knew she was cold and still kept talking...to me it has more value than looking at the picture of a cat....

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Boy that cat parade really got stuck in your craw. Maybe if you post a picture of a cat you'll be able to choke it out.

Stuck in my craw?:-) ha ha...great message! That phenomena opens a door of enquiry into a whole new area of brain function and group dynamics, though I do not know if this is the right time for that.

I AM planning to post a cat thingy one of these days, though, so stay tuned. The point was in this instance that it is probably of more value to oneself to learn something about oneself than to post pictures of cats, though the cat pictures can be of some kind of value, too. Sometimes changing the subject is a cool thing to do and really does work to deflect conflict, so kudos for finding that solution. I think it was and is a positive thing and kind of creative, but of course it does not solve the original problem. Imo people in these seeming stalemate situations should not shut conversations off but rather should try to communicate how they feel about things.



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05 Apr 2014, 12:59 pm

LOL, I really think it would make you feel good to post one!
It might have be more fun for you if you had done it during the cat parade, but if you post one I'll post one with you and maybe we can get these other cat happy people to join in. You might like it, you never know.
Or you could try it alone if you like that better, I wouldn't want to ruin it for you.

Edit, I did want to say, the only reason I think this is because you keep bringing it up - it is clearly on your mind.



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05 Apr 2014, 1:43 pm

W--I came here just now to post a different message than on this cat subject,but will respond to you first. It's not on my mind at all, though it did make an impression as an interesting anomaly to use as a device to enquire into object relations as it may relate to group organization, especially since it seems to be so meaningful and hitting the spot for others.

What I came here to write is that to me it seem that the way the op phrased things is intentionally provocative and a deliberate form of gestalt, though I really don't know for sure, plus the way he wrote it made it all very difficult to sort out, but I tried to and did see something new. The only reason I participated on this thread is that I have recently been very very interested in the subject of special interest and how it relates to my own brain function, as for me this is the clue to solving many mysteries. I think some people may be too more preoccupied with defending and supporting their own idea of what autism is rather then enquiring into it, so approaching from a fixed idea rather then a question. .



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05 Apr 2014, 2:00 pm

Hmm, he didn't bother me that much, I just thought he was excited when he wrote it and words came spilling out.

It's kind of sad that we disappoint you so much. I mean I relate, when I go out with my friends sometimes I wish I could change the subject to science or art or anything but how boring our jobs are or stuff like that. They key is just to remember that because we think something is important, doesn't mean everyone at the table is ruining their life if they aren't discussing what we want to discuss. It took me a while to get that and sometimes I just intentionally zone out when I'm with people to keep myself from petulantly trying bend them to my will (I can be rather persistent when I let myself loose) :D . Probably a typical Aspie struggle.



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05 Apr 2014, 6:13 pm

littlebee wrote:
What I came here to write is that to me it seem that the way the op phrased things is intentionally provocative and a deliberate form of gestalt, though I really don't know for sure, plus the way he wrote it made it all very difficult to sort out, but I tried to and did see something new.


I wrote that way because many of us are seen as opinionated.



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05 Apr 2014, 7:50 pm

littlebee wrote:
W--I came here just now to post a different message than on this cat subject,but will respond to you first. It's not on my mind at all, though it did make an impression as an interesting anomaly to use as a device to enquire into object relations as it may relate to group organization, especially since it seems to be so meaningful and hitting the spot for others.

What I came here to write is that to me it seem that the way the op phrased things is intentionally provocative and a deliberate form of gestalt, though I really don't know for sure, plus the way he wrote it made it all very difficult to sort out, but I tried to and did see something new. The only reason I participated on this thread is that I have recently been very very interested in the subject of special interest and how it relates to my own brain function, as for me this is the clue to solving many mysteries. I think some people may be too more preoccupied with defending and supporting their own idea of what autism is rather then enquiring into it, so approaching from a fixed idea rather then a question. .


Hey look, littlebee - I"m famous!

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/04/politics/ ... ?hpt=hp_t5



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08 Apr 2014, 8:25 pm

While it is true that non-autistic people of all (normal) kinds make the rules of societies and such people do on average better in those societies, many of us on the spectrum do have the following things in our favour:

*Being accepted into mainstream schools in spite of social difficluties and given integration aides sitting next to us in school classes, and constant prompting.
*Having mentors keeping us on track helping us with social success.
*Being allowed to go on disability support payments if we don't have a job, rather than have to go to job interviews to stay on uneplymont benefits. Mentally normal people can only go on them if physically disabled.