The Aspie Poseur

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True but those that are proclaiming widespread aspergers faking do not have to prove all 82 case profiles I provided are fakers they merely need to show that large number of
them are. Since their making this claim presumable they have away to back it up.




Those claiming that aspergers is being faked often can benfit from that ambiguous criteria in the DSM-IV. Means they can use their on broad interpretation of it to prove their theory.

Oh you can not say there is no way for these people to prove their case with online data
unless your saying their whole theory is a baseless crock.

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Well, I can tell you why I do! I have felt like an alien all my life. An orphan of sorts. NOW, I find people that fit me closer than any other group. HECK, some are VERY close. I'm like tony and tia on escape to witch mountain, or any other orphan trying to find their family. I just want to be accepted where I belong. BTW do you think I am telling the general public? NOPE! Just YOU guys! You won't see ME in the tabloids! HECK, there are better ways I can get there, and QUICKER.

I only offer advice I have a fair chance to be able to give, etc... I probably WON'T be giving advice on how to meet women, etc... for example.

Anyway, I fit more than the needed amount of criteria, and seem to be just like several here that are diagnosed. So I seriously believe I am AS. Like others, I WOULD like a REAL scientific test!

Steve

Well, I'm definitely an Aspie, no question of it; I have all the symptoms listed in the first post. But others on this site not having AS is something that makes me wonder from time to time. Sometimes I feel like a lot of people on this site have an innate, social understanding of each other, something I do not have at all -- so I've begun to feel like an Aspie-among-Aspies -- like there's an "Aspie community" out there, a clique if you will, that I cannot find out how to belong to. In such cases, I ask myself, "How can these people be Aspies? They're integrating successfully!" Doesn't make much sense to me. So, then I wonder if I have something on top of AS. But anyway, I scored in the medium-AS-range on several tests, and I don't believe I have severe AS, although each AS profile is different, so I am vastly deficient in certain AS ways and just fine in others.

Yeah. Also, a lot of people (me included) have thought we had "friends" when we really just had people who were entertained by our presence at some point. And enough of us have poor enough social judgement or understanding of what is meant by various words that we would describe ourselves in ways that would not be how others saw us. For instance, I remember when I found out I was considered quiet by most people who knew me growing up. I never regarded myself as quiet because I always heard a lot of noise. I also vividly remember being described as either indifferent to social interaction or unaware of it, at times when I was not only aware of it but believing I was engaging in it: Because I was at least thinking about the people around me, rather than about something else entirely. Social cluelessness (among other things) can lead us to think that our outsides match our internal experiences of ourselves, and I've found that it's taken a lot of work on my part to even figure out what my outside appearance is to most people. I used to assume that if I felt normal to me or made an effort to be normal, then I passed for normal. Then I talked to people who knew me when I was a child and they say that they all knew something was very different about me (socially, the way I moved, and the way I talked), but they didn't know what it was. And then I look back upon what remarks were made about me in my presence, and I see that the most I passed for was weird or crazy at times. So anything I would have thought or said before I figured this out would've given the wrong impression, for that and other reasons (another is how many people here have been taught to say things simply because most people say them? I certainly was).

And I'm officially diagnosed and everything. (It took me a long time to believe my diagnosis because of some of these things, however. The internal accounts of being autistic matched mine, but the external accounts baffled me.)

I'm sure that feeling of being "Aspie-among-Aspies" is the same in those that you think are in some "clique". I can remember how I thought Hale-Bopp was part of some inner clique I could not belong to when I was a new member but if you read her posts you can see she feels as an "Aspie-amoung-Aspies" just as you or I do.

I'm not saying it's baseless crock, I'm saying it wouldn't hold up to any kind of real analysis of the process. There's just too little data to make a credible diagnosis and too many variables.

What I think is that they see things that make them question it. We all probably see things like that. Posts are merely glimpses into people.

I am self-dx. I think my grand-ma had it, I think my aunt has it, and I know my mom has it. None of us were/are dx. I think its the worst curse. But ppl who just think they have it don't know the real pain, but have a pain that they think is the same. Those kids are so brutal to each other in school, these days. I say, cut them some slack. They may just need support and only find it here. Eventually interest will fade, or maybe the need to come here will diminish. Anyone can say they are doctor diagnosed. Anyone can say they are self diagnosed. Who's to say who is lying?

But in the meantime those unoffically diagnosed are reduced to feel they do not belong here because a few people making claims they can not back up.

You got smart doctors and you got stupid doctors and a whole bunch of doctors in between. Ive had to diagnose twice life threatening illnesses that experts missed. Once in a daughter and once myself. And was right both times while the experts were laughing at the ridiculousness of someone like me second guessing them.

The only criteria I would go by is this. If you went through life always knowing that something was wrong, that you werent like the rest, and then one day you discover the symptoms for AS and you go "OH MY GOD THATS ME" and its like hitting the overheads in a pitch black room, then Id say yeah trust that more than what a shrink has said.

Similarly, it would be impossible for us to prove that YOU have AS...you are quite content to sit here claiming you would bet most of the users on that list don't have AS... I would bet that you also don't have AS, if that is the case, lol... hell, you might as well, at this rate, simply say no-one on here has AS as AS is simply a word used to describe a set of neurological peculiarities. What the hell does it matter? The forum is here...people can choose to be on the forum or not...are we thinking of forming some sort of anti faker nazi party here?

its just all in our heads anyway. What the heck. So are headaches. right? So who's to tell me I don't have a headache if I thought I did?

I went on TV, do I pass the AS test?

http://www.rte.ie/tv/three60/week1_05.html

I was officially diagnosed in 2002, two years after suffering a nervous breakdown. I had no friends, I felt isolated and alone. I realised that I had no social skills and I was confused why other people seemed to be able to make friends and find a girlfriend but I couldn’t. I was told that I experienced a process called “gaining insight”.

This is when an undiagnosed Aspie starts to notice that their cute and funny eccentricity that used to make people laugh is preventing them from making friendships and being “normal”. I tried harder to fit in, grow up and be “normal” but I failed miserably, this was the source of my depression. So, like I read in an earlier post, I tried to fake “NT” but failed. I like knowing that I have Asperger’s, I don’t have to obsess about being “normal”, what ever "normal" is.

Wow! I am inspired!

If I look at all the good AS has done for me in my life:
no relationships
bad jobs
fired a lot
low pay
smart as hell but bad student
kinda lost
live in a shack

I think just how much I could make my life if I start posing as a leper!

I note quite a few explaining why they think they have AS in this thread, and the thought is running through my head...why do you feel the need to justify yourselves? Why should anyone here have to justify whether they have AS or not to any other member? Just a thought.

This is when an undiagnosed Aspie starts to notice that their cute and funny eccentricity that used to make people laugh is preventing them from making friendships and being “normal”. [/quote]

OH, GOD!! Is that what I'm doing wrong? But if I'm not cute and funny, I don't know how to be. I didn't know no one like puppies. Maybe having a positive outlook is undesirable, too. Should I act like I'm at a stranger's funeral all the time?????

Be sober, or everyone will think your drunk. No one likes a drunk.



Fear, Graelwyn. Fear of rejection. Why do you think? I get rejection all thime "out there". I don't want to be rejected by my own kind, too.

Because it is an invisible condition. Its not like were missing a limb or something that advertises that we have a disability, therefore that assumption we often face or feel that we face is that there is nothing wrong.

And since is a felt condition, often internal, people outside of our heads often fail to notice the difficulty that AS can cause us in daily life. You can’t measure the absence of friendship and isolation on an eye chart. It is reported by talking about it, or in this case, typing about it.

This is the reason for my sensitivity to someone asking or suggesting that there is noting wrong. I react with an attempt to validate my experiences and the reality of my AS.