Do you think that virginia Tech killer Cho Seu was an Aspie?

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Short form: A lot of these people get threatened with death all the time and the perpetrators never get brought to justice. Those who should fix this kind of problem blame the victims and drive them over the edge in many ways.

I am horrified that people would consider him an aspie solely on the hearsay that he was considered a loner.

He's a classic psychopath.

Then you get into the classic nature vs. nurture argument: Did his parents or society treat him like s**t? Or was he born this way?

I believe psychopaths are born, not made.

Just my two cents and that's about all it's worth.

I don't think that classic psychopaths become shooters. I think that they make other people become shooters. They're like people who give ulcers instead of getting them. They're carriers.

Hey, someone's got to dissect this crap and get to the bottom of it.

I am guessing, and this is a very wild guess, he had the same disorder that Hitler probably had and that is Narcissistic Personality Disorder NPD.

• narcissism (e.g. arrogance, vanity, etc.)
  
• ideas of perfection
  
• fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love
  
• harsh reactions to criticism
  
• jealousy
  
• depression (when failing to meet their own standards)
  
• drug abuse
  
• lack of empathy
  
• absence of altruism, although gestures may be made for the sake of appearance
  

http://www.narcissistic-personality-disorder.net/.

Last edited by paulsinnerchild on 18 Apr 2007, 10:25 pm, edited 1 time in total.

no I didn't think he was an aspie, I think he was a lunatic

Robert Mugabe may be another candidate for NPD

Last edited by paulsinnerchild on 18 Apr 2007, 10:32 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Okay, I've watched this guy's video (or the excerpts on cnn.com) and I've got my diagnosis, or at least my non-diagnosis. He is NOT aspie.

I have to think that he was. Possibly not, but you can't say he doesn't seem like an Aspie in every way.

Yes definitely not and aspie or HFA. Maybe NPD like Hitler or Mugabe. Lucky he was not elected into a position of power like those people and committed a genocide.

Just found this article:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,266808,00.html

Of course that's only two people's opinions and they aren't psychiatrists. But notice at the end of the article where he held eye contact with Nikki Giovanni, seemingly to intimidate her..that doesn't sound very AS to me...

OK, I'm going to tell you my theory about mass or serial murderers. I've noticed a pattern; every single one of them drank water from the time they were children! They also spent a significant number of hours sleeping, walking and sitting! And without exception, every single one of them ate food!

What I'm trying to say is that we cannot draw any conclusions until we have MORE information, and we just might not get any more. Yes, he was young, male, Asian, maybe an Aspie, sexually frustrated, a loner, angry, but we cannot conclude that those things caused him to do what he did. Many people share one or all of these qualities/descriptions, but they don't commit mayhem. This guy had something very wrong in his machinery, and we don't know if it was a design flaw (congenital), some experience (abuse, perhaps), or some pathology (brain tumor, drugs/medication, whatever). We only know it resulted in incredible tragedy.

As an aside, my best friend is Korean, and she says that many, many of the Koreans here in the U.S. are very concerned about a backlash. Since she watches Korean TV and listens to Korean radio, I have to believe her. I'm sorry to hear that they are so worried.

Also, I worked as the only American in a Korean company for a few years, and looking directly into the eyes of a stranger or a superior (boss, teacher, person older than you) is considered rude. But it is certainly acceptable to do so with your peers!

One more point; as an Irish-American married to a Taiwanese (Chinese) man, I notice inter-racial couples. I live in California, and it is common to see Asian women with Caucasian men. But it much less common to see Asian men with Caucasian women. I would like to think it's because the men feel the need to carry on the family traditions and need an Asian wife to do so. But I'm afraid there is a stereotype that women will have to be subservient to an Asian husband (wildly inaccurate in my case!).

As for fears that the NT world will backlash against Aspies, I do think we're getting too worried about it. I agree that most NT's think of Aspies as tactless and maybe a little nerdy, but not as violent killers.

I don’t believe he had AS. I can’t understand his extreme social withdrawal. Aspies try to make social relationships but fail, he rejected people. He wore dark glasses and a cap to hide from people. I am usually very good at spotting people with an ASD. I cant understand his video, he seemed too illogical, too weird, there was no point or conclusion to what he was saying, it was diffuse and rambling. Aspies are concrete and to the point, they would list and illustrated with diagrams their grievance.

Also and tellingly, Cho said that people had put thoughts in his head, he was blaming people for his mental turmoil. Thought insertion is a hallmark of psychosis. Wearing dark glasses is typical of someone who is paranoid.

Link: Thought Insertion

He might have he had something that looked like an autism spectrum disorder when younger but he developed or was in the process of developing paranoid Schizophrenia as an adult. People with Schizophrenia are rarely “normal” as kids, they are often very socially isolated and can seem quite autistic.

No way, this guy was not an Aspie, he was Schizophrenic.

I think that this is a dangerous thread.

Other people that are not on the spectrum peruse this site, and I think it would be really bad for our image to be having this conversation.

I also think it's important for those of us on the spectrum to have a clear understanding that just because a person is a loner, or shares one characteristic with aspies, does not make him/her one. Psychopaths and sociopaths are, by diagnosis, usually loners also. The thought that any of you out there might for one second think this psychopath has anything similar to you, is heartbreaking. We have enough to deal with, without adding a psychotic disorder fear to our list.

I would ask the community to reconsider having this discussion, and agreeing to lock it for everybody's benefit.
Mods? Please discuss.

I serious don't think he has social anxiety. He was able to stand up in class and read his disturbing poems in class convincingly and also post that video where he actually looks quite confident and assured. There is a difference between antisocial and avoidant. He could speak when he wanted to.

I really don't get the schizophrenia link either there is no evidence I can see of psychosis. He clearly had weeks of premeditation.