Treatment of High Functioning Vs Lower Functioning on W.P

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30 Sep 2020, 9:02 am

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It feels like on here if you're right wing, you can say pretty much what you like so for eg you can call it the 'Chinese virus' but if you're left wing you have to be careful in case of personal attacks. So I would have to say 'that is a racist description' rather than 'if you say that, you're racist'... Even then I'm not sure I could get away with it?

Us on the left are autistic too. We're also prone to blunt speech. I hate this double standard, it seems to seep over from NT society where 'tell it like it is' is code for 'right wing knee jerk speech' and 'political correct' is code for 'left wing speech made in order to avoid offence'.

I thought there was a sticky thread for low functioning autistic people? Either found within the haven or within our private area? Maybe it belongs in this autism forum instead? (the main forum) But maybe it was put in the private area so people didn't have to worry about being googled?

There doesn't seem to be a place for us who are in the middle. Adult forum (not the NSFW one) specifies things like 'living away from home' and 'working'.

1. While I definitely recommend using "this is <something bad>" instead of "you're <something bad> for saying it", if someone sporadically breaches it, I don't intend to put them in any more trouble than some post editing and/or a gentle reminder - unless in The Haven. The Haven has special protection rules.
2. If you see others violating the rules, report. Moderators really don't read the whole forum all the time.
3. Those who are not "mild" by any means - a sticky in Members Only.
4. I'm sorry you feel alone "in the middle" :( I think there are actually many more like you around here. Maybe we should make another sticky for the "middle-functioning" to get to know each other?


Good idea to have a "middle- functioning thread" magz.


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30 Sep 2020, 9:09 am

Yes ... let's segregate people according to their functionality ... that will be good for the community ...<-- This is sarcasm, by the way.



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30 Sep 2020, 9:42 am

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I think the best way of making a safe space is to have the forum equivalent of South Park series where even the most socially inept aspie wouldn't need to care what they say. In my opinion having to many rules to stick by makes an environment feel artificial and constrained. If people are easily offended I don't think the solution is more rules, it just adds justification to offences where none should be taken if it happens to break a rule along the way.

So long as it doesn't get personal there is nothing wrong with calling someone a dumb**s and them mutually retorting back the same.
I don't know how to call someone a dumb**s without it getting personal.



Lol I will give it a try and see where it leads :D


It's one of those things that becomes a lot less offensive the more you hear it. I call people far FAR worse in work and they do the same. If people shout at each other often enough it just becomes "oh Frank is at it again" and nothing more is though of it. It gets to a point where you don't need to think about what you say at all.

If it becomes the rules not to say anything that might be perceived as offensive then its human nature that those rules will be abused.



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30 Sep 2020, 9:58 am

I actually do the opposite and look for anything that will make someone else feel better and you know what? It actually makes me feel better too.
Like attracts like.
I grew up in a household where insulting, degrading verbal abuse and violence was unfiltered and cruelly and mindlessly hurled around, wounding everyone in its wake.
Why people get pleasure out of insulting people instead of empowering them is beyond my comprehension and costs society much in therapy and life-long suffering. Each to his own.


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30 Sep 2020, 10:12 am

I believe everybody here has a valid place here.

I don't believe we should segregate people by "functioning level"--that's utter nonsense.

I'm a simple-minded person of moderate intelligence who believes in "treating people as you like to be treated yourself."

Yes, people do know that I have the "Forrest Gump" trait, and sometimes seek to take advantage of that fact. I can usually tell when this is occurring. I had to learn how to tell through tough life experience.

"I may not be a smart man----but I know what LOVE IS!"--one of my favorite quotes of all time. Don't forget: Jenny chose Forrest to father her child----not those drug-addict boyfriends she palled around with.



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30 Sep 2020, 10:27 am

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I believe everybody here has a valid place here.

I don't believe we should segregate people by "functioning level"--that's utter nonsense.

I'm a simple-minded person of moderate intelligence who believes in "treating people as you like to be treated yourself."

Yes, people do know that I have the "Forrest Gump" trait, and sometimes seek to take advantage of that fact. I can usually tell when this is occurring. I had to learn how to tell through tough life experience.

"I may not be a smart man----but I know what LOVE IS!"--one of my favorite quotes of all time.


I love Forrest Gump, great film.


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30 Sep 2020, 10:35 am

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I believe everybody here has a valid place here.

I don't believe we should segregate people by "functioning level"--that's utter nonsense.

I'm a simple-minded person of moderate intelligence who believes in "treating people as you like to be treated yourself."

Yes, people do know that I have the "Forrest Gump" trait, and sometimes seek to take advantage of that fact. I can usually tell when this is occurring. I had to learn how to tell through tough life experience.

"I may not be a smart man----but I know what LOVE IS!"--one of my favorite quotes of all time. Don't forget: Jenny chose Forrest to father her child----not those drug-addict boyfriends she palled around with.


What is the Forrest Gump trait?


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30 Sep 2020, 10:40 am

Forrest Gump was very naive, and SEEMED intellectually-challenged.....but, in reality, he was very wise and smart in many ways. After all, he did save about ten people from death in Vietnam.

I am rather naive, too. And I sometimes seemed intellectually-challenged in the past. People sometimes succeeded in taking advantage of me in the old days.



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30 Sep 2020, 11:12 am

Teach51 wrote:
I actually do the opposite and look for anything that will make someone else feel better and you know what? It actually makes me feel better too.
Like attracts like.
I grew up in a household where insulting, degrading verbal abuse and violence was unfiltered and cruelly and mindlessly hurled around, wounding everyone in its wake.
Why people get pleasure out of insulting people instead of empowering them is beyond my comprehension and costs society much in therapy and life-long suffering. Each to his own.



Some people use banter. I have known people who would insult each other and still be friends and I could tell they were not serious because they were laughing and smiling and the other person didn't seem offended if called the R word. My brothers and their friends were calling each other turds in elementary school.

As for online trolling, we both feel very differently about it because I grew up in a normal household where where was no abuse and name calling and put downs. So online trolls just come off as a annoyance to me like how annoying it is when someone throws trash in my yard because we have all these bushes in the front. We have found a PC monitor, a Christmas tree (which my dad burned) a bunch of golf balls, small trash and cans, and of course we had a tire in our yard and two days later it was gone.

I do admit some trolls are funny like Cartoons Hate Her. She just makes up funny ridiculous stories and no one is provoked by them. She has even written a book about her trolling she has done on reddit and reposted all her troll stories in it.

But hearing your background does help because it explains why you take this all strongly while I feel meh about it and just see it as an annoyance or no affect. And what I get out of trolls is learning to not take everyone online so seriously. If I get a mean or rude comment, assume it's a troll and they just want a reaction out of me and it's nothing to do with me, it's them. It's not like they targeted me. It's just coincidental.


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30 Sep 2020, 11:18 am

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Forrest Gump was very naive, and SEEMED intellectually-challenged.....but, in reality, he was very wise and smart in many ways. After all, he did save about ten people from death in Vietnam.

I am rather naive, too. And I sometimes seemed intellectually-challenged in the past. People sometimes succeeded in taking advantage of me in the old days.



My ex always compared me to Forest Gump. :D


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30 Sep 2020, 11:19 am

Take it as a complement.
He was loyal and honest with faultless integrity. :D


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30 Sep 2020, 11:31 am

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As for politics, I have changed in that I have lost a lot of patience with certain right-wing points of view and I feel a desire to attack them. I don't mean to attack those who hold those views but at the same time I can no longer respect those views either. removed by moderator

Sorry for ranting like this!


Wow,
And you have no idea how offensive your comment was? 8O
Wow.


Apparently not. Even more incomprehensible is that the comment survived.


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30 Sep 2020, 11:41 am

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As for politics, I have changed in that I have lost a lot of patience with certain right-wing points of view and I feel a desire to attack them. I don't mean to attack those who hold those views but at the same time I can no longer respect those views either. removed by moderator

Sorry for ranting like this!


Wow,
And you have no idea how offensive your comment was? 8O
Wow.


Apparently not. Even more incomprehensible is that the comment survived.


I had to read that comment over and over to understand how it was offensive. removed by moderator


Often times I do not understand what I am reading. I think I am understanding what I read.


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30 Sep 2020, 11:43 am

League_Girl wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
Pepe wrote:
MaxE wrote:

As for politics, I have changed in that I have lost a lot of patience with certain right-wing points of view and I feel a desire to attack them. I don't mean to attack those who hold those views but at the same time I can no longer respect those views either. removed by moderator

Sorry for ranting like this!


Wow,
And you have no idea how offensive your comment was? 8O
Wow.


Apparently not. Even more incomprehensible is that the comment survived.


I had to read that comment over and over to understand how it was offensive. removed by moderator


Often times I do not understand what I am reading. I think I am understanding what I read.


That's the way I read it. I hope it gets dealt with.


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30 Sep 2020, 12:24 pm

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The emphasis on WP must shift to one of available support engines and information archives, embracing the weak and vulnerable and using our strengths to support rather than deflate others.

So arrogant for you to try to dictate what WP should be like.

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If I want debate I go to Quora or Reddit, or a thousand other hate spewing sites where I can strut about and flaunt my superior IQ.( not me personally, my IQ is not that great to be honest)

Well, this just further displays your bias: debate and spewing hate are not at all the same thing. Here's another answer to your question about how to "protect the vulnerable" on WP: You sensitive people need to recognize that not everything that bothers you is actually mean-spirited or intended to be hurtful. Your reactions to what people say do not determine those people's motivations for saying those things. People have different personalities, different ways of communicating, different things they want to focus on, and not everything is about feelings.

And assuming people on WP are trying to flaunt their IQs is actually an example of what I mentioned about fabricating motivations in a previous comment. Stop acting like you can read minds. You are not an expert on autistic behavior. We do not think or act like NTs and you cannot mindlessly apply your "intuition" of NT behavior to us. And not everyone on this site is even autistic. Some have ADHD or something else.

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WP should be a haven, for angels with dirty faces who offend each other inadvertently and reactively because they are, after all, autistic and require a monitored, protected environment in order to safely be themselves.

No, we are not babies. Did you actually ask any autistic people how they feel about this and what they want before you decided what WP should be? Or is this 100% your own opinion? What about the people who like to debate, you don't want them to be themselves? Why did you even bring up debate? This thread started off being about people who respond harshly and underestimate other people's difficulties. You do realize that's not the same thing as debating, don't you?



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30 Sep 2020, 1:06 pm

One thing I noticed online is someone who sees everything as an insult or an attack don't last long on forums, they either get banned or they leave. I notice people who are often very sensitive and think everything is an attack are the ones who will attack other users first and create drama. I can think of at least one user here who was doing this and got banned for it and has been banned on every forum according to this person.

I remember DW a Mom saying this user has more problems than this forum can help this person with.

Also, look up vulnerable narcissist, it's very interesting.

Only pity I feel about these people are they are their own worst enemy and do not realize they are the ones who are the bullies and the trolls and have a great victim complex. Everyone is always the bad guy. Then when the victims react to their attacks and insults, the bully then thinks they are the victim and got attacked first, it's very sad. I just avoid them.


I would think if everyone is always saying mean stuff to you or always insulting you and everyone around you is sly, then maybe you are the problem and you are just misinterpreting everything around you. It takes self awareness to realize and then go seek a therapist and really work on this issue so you are not always assuming bad intentions in everyone and it will change how you feel about others and how to see things and how you react. Sometimes past abuse from childhood can do this damage. I always admire when I see comments online talking about how they have overcome these issues through therapy and how they often have to keep reminding themselves something like "This is my childhood I had, they have a different childhood than I did" and "this is my problem, not theirs, this is my childhood, theirs is different" to fight their triggers so they are not lashing out at people randomly and doing straw mans and picking fights unintentionally rather online and in real life.


And I remember saying in another thread about trolls, it's very difficult to tell who is a real, is it a troll or just someone who is easily triggered so they lash out.

And I notice C PTSD and narcissism can sometimes present so lookalike that even abused victims have wondered if they are a narcissist before they learn about C-PTSD. And one of the misconceptions about narcissism is that narcissists never think they are a narcissist. Wrong, there are self aware ones. I even even found narcissist blogs that are written by narcissist and it's been about how they discovered they are one and how they are trying to heal from it and how they cope with the fact they are one.


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