Aspie Nation,If we build it will they come?

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Okay, a couple of things here: I suggest that someone get a blog started, so as to host this project. Google Blogger is generally a good choice. If you need any help with Blogger, I'd be more than happy to lend a hand. I think that if we really want to do this, we should start taking steps towards making this a reality. I myself want to see this come to fruition.

The way you describe it, I'm sure that if everyone who wanted to do this got together, we could do it.

We can start on the hard parts by starting. I'm certain that once this is more than a wishful dream, people will get excited to be a part of it. We can work out the hard parts while we work on eveything else, the preparation to do it, the gathering of people who want to do this.

First, we have to start.
So, I propose that someone take the helm, and start a site or blog where people can go to "join," and we can start to set some clear goals and begin figuring out how best to make this into reality.

As it stands, if we organize, people can buy in groups, and that will cut costs down to size for expensive neccesities. Also, I think that 355 days of sun a year would make for a good enviroment for something like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_thermal_energy

It would probably provide more than enough power. If we don't buy power, that's another expense down, not to mention that it would pay for itself, and then just produce profit if we sell the extra power back to the company managing the power grid.

All this talk about such mundane topix as "Territory" and "Economy" is making my head (and my stomach) swim a bit.

Taking my cues from such groups as Amish and LGBT, who live fairly decent, fairly separate lives, I envision the following:

The Aspie Nation is not literal; it is virtual. It exists (it is actual) as a networked group of Aliens with a binding interest (being Aspie) who nonetheless continue to reside wherever they always have. If they wish to concentrate political power/economic influence, they can quietly begin to infiltrate (move into) and eventually take over a neighborhood, a metropolitan area, or a region. To a remarkable extent, the economy of central Pennsylvania caters to the needs/values of Amish people. This is because they have made PLAIN (pun intended) their insistence on living as they always have. Similarly, the politics and economics of the San Francisco Bay Area have grown to accommodate the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender community to an equally remarkable extent. If you want to know why, watch the film, "MILK", with Sean Penn. It's a real eye-opener. Aspie Nation could be modeled after Nation of Islam or Queer Nation.

Since this thread started the economy has followed the predicted path, Dow dropping from 14,000 to 10,000, the housing bubble bursting, and employment which did not employ aspies in 2007, having no use for almost a quarter of people now.

WP has grown from 10,000 to near 40,000, and even Autism Speaks has come around to autism is forever, and the best we can do is little in the life scale of things.

Land has gotten cheaper, and the dollar has lost buying power. We still have what we did, a labor potential, and an adversion of the treadmill way of life.

As PrOphET writes, some outsider groups have made it work, but being neurotypical they do not have our problem, they are understandable within the neurotypical matrix, something we will never be.

Another coming change, The Max Planck Institute has finished the Neanderthal Genome, and found that some Northern Europeans and the Han Chinese differ from the rest of the planet, as much as 4% DNA, due to being a line mixed with Neanderthal as RDOS claimed.

The differance in thought and perception called autism, accepted for being genetic, lifelong, unchangable, now has a scientific base. All humans are not the same, And the Max Planck nuumbers say 20% have a very large genetic divergence, and are a sub species.

The idea of treatment and cure to make them like the Sapiens is shown to be impossible.

The Han Chinese, 92% of China, are not going to change, were long opressed by neurotypiclals, but turning within, have become the second largest economy, on track to becoming the largest.

The last country to do this kind of advance, was America, a hundred years ago. Aspies like Tesla came to America, and so did many others who found Europe not accepting of their thinking. In both cases an acceptance of a differance in thought and perception caused an economic and technical surge.

We do have our own normal, Aspie rules out mental illness, it is only a cultural disability, we are just on the Wrong Planet.

The dominate social culture has stalled out, and lacks any vision of how to restart. If we are lucky, the economic future will flatline at best. As a group, we were locked up for life without cause or trial till 1974. Then were were treated as Mental Paitents, drugged, and treated with cattle prods. The extirmination of Autistics was big business just a few years ago. If a pre natel test had been discovered, it would have lead to genocide. I do not expect support from the dominate sub species.

On our side, Broader Autism Phenotype is about 10% of the population, and was the source of the last two economic advances, computers and the internet. There is much more, for we are well represented in Science, Engineering, Education, where the economic future lies.

Our main problem is functioning within the dominate culture. The discrimination we face runs much deeper than skin color or sex life. Those oppressed minorities treat us just like the rest do, as dangerous aliens.

They react to us at a genetic level, another species. No law passed by Congress can ever overcome basic biology. We threaten species survival. At the deepest level, they fear us.

In world economics Japan and America, the leading economies, stalled out in the early 90's, Japan had a lost decade, followed by a flatline economy. America printed a lot of money and ran a housing boom for fifteen years, then flatlined. Economics is a Ponzi, and when you run out of buyers, it crashes. At the same time production moved to China, so restarting our economy supports China.

Losses in the stock market, housing, employment, is deflation of the money supply, and only work can replace it. We need to create 20,000,000 jobs, and convential wisdom is failing.

A differance in thought and perception is needed. Creating jobs, a CCC program, will not produce a new economy. It will just put us deeper in debt.

The 30,000,000 of the Broader Autism Phenotype could develop the next economy, restore full employment, which would solve housing. The only problem is they are only a group on WP. I like it, but it is not a place to model the next wave of community and economy design.

The crash has opened much better areas for a colony. My publishing production line has grown, while major publishers have cut way back. I am at the right place in a changing market. I can produce and bind 100 books a day, soon 400. Production costs are low, and direct marketing through Amazon is cheap. While majors have to sell 50,000 to break even, I can make money on books that sell 100.

Mass marketing is dieing, we are going back to a hundred years ago, when a print run of a thousand was the norm, and much smaller markets were serviced. Readers are incurable, so the overall market is unchanged.

This is just one place that a large market can be better served. I am already overrunning my one recluse self in production and marketing, and having an economy is needed to expand. 400 books is ten boxes of paper, in, processed, and mailed, every day. My next step has to be a location where it can grow, and more people to keep it running.

My next step is what else can I get by moving? Can it produce food? Are there other income possibilities? Employment is based on Old English Master Servent relationship. It seems obsolete.

Stock Holders have no rights and every reason to make it work.

My ambitions, those of the group, and each member, should be able to join as one.

The declining economy has opened new places for employment and investment. The range of what is affordable has expanded, and the next few years look good for a recluse colony.

Private property, joint venture food supply, employment, and a good place to start your own projects.

This is an ad, I will print and bind your book, can list on Amazon, and print on demand and ship.

Aspies unite! I could get obsessive about starting an aspie community.

We could contract out our brains to the NT world, and be financially secure.

We could even have money left over to employ NT's to do our laundry

Argh, I didn't read through this but I see SO many reasons why this wouldnt work.

Feel free to correct me if these issues have been addressed

1.) How are you all going to create LAWS if you have aspergers. One aspie might have an idea for a law in his head and communicate his idea to another aspie with a different meaning(because of aspergers). That aspie would then take that law and communicate it with a different meaning(un-intentionally).




2.) What will be deemed as socially acceptable? Everyone has different degrees of aspergers. While one aspie might find it socially acceptable to go up and squeeze some girls breast....another aspie might see how that's wrong.


3.) You WILL have to interact with Neurotypicals at one point or another for natural resources or war related issues. What if an aspie communicates something falsely un-intentionally and then the USA decides to go to War? You would need some sort of AS to NT translator. Would they get to live in the country and have kids too?

Ruwabi!

Wait, wrong project...

I think the best way to start would be to infiltrate existing places where there is little cost of living (where 'little' jobs make more than enough cash to survive) and improve the 'core' buildings and residences with the spare money.. eventually making more and cheaper living arrangements. Start owning shops where we employ only Aspies... and from this core base, start plans that improve the lot in life of Aspies in the next town over ...

Eventually pooling thoughts and plans on how to reform the eduication system to accept and adapt and teach those things Aspies need to learn (time management techniques) and also to educate students on 'different people you may encounter in your life' from early in their learning career (ie grade 3 or so)...

That's where it all starts right? Education? Childhood?
Improve the road of education so more Aspies make it to higher end jobs and can help support the Aspie town project...

It would be a place where there is less anxiety and social banality to fight our 'planning and project' instincts... allowing us to concentrate on these great objectives and solutions...

Has anyone read the book "Walden Two" ? Great ideas on reducing the work day to its bare minimums to allow for more 'project and self' time while still being productive...

Where natural clusters have been noted, Universities, Silicon Valley, Redmond, Round Rock, there has not been a breakdown of law and order.

Itn the historic view, Universities were started by people with a strong but narrow interest, and a book collection, when few could read. They were all self taught, driven by obsession, and a bit quirky.

They gathered and set up shop in an unused fort, and were found to be useful.

I agree with OddFiction, it starts where there is cheap living and cash flow, which leads to eating, and the rest comes from thought and labor.

With 3,000,000 in the US, we could support one small village.

Building the first of anything is hard, but once it runs smoothly, copies are easy.

El Salvador has a lower cost of living. Maybe aspies could all migrate there and set up a municipality there. Salvadorans are more accepting of our quirks than Americans, Canadians, or British. We could even improve El Salvador's economy since many of us are intelligent and could come up with many innovations and ideas that could result in more investment for El Salvador.All we have to do is learn Spanish.

I have heard about it before. One big problem with it is that it has never reached anything near tangible. Why is that? I think it has to do with most proposals being somewhat unrealistic. If we really want to do this, we need to ask ourselves some questions. What do we want it to be? A real nation, or something like Second Life? Where should it be? I think that Antarctica and space are unrealistic. Claiming another nation's land is asking for trouble. What do you think?

I hang out at a cannabis club. Its like a different world. Many of the members and all the people that live there, have a communal and other worldy outlook. I think 1 couple and 6 more singles reside under 1 roof. 3 are film-makers, an animation artist(has MS) and the spokespeople of a protest movement.

But most are leaving to tour new Zealand on a bus in 2 days. They will protest the prohibition of cannabis, by smoking much cannabis with locals gathered, in front of the town halls, the length and breadth of New Zealand.

Rather than this whole aspie nation notion, a bunch of people can get together and buy a big building, live in it, have a whole emotional life again, and just do their thing creatively.

Meh, I personally wouldn't want an aspie nation, it would just be the exact same as other nations with the wars and all that other baggage that comes with being a nation.