Diagnosed when older? The process of accepting the dx?

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31 Dec 2008, 7:53 pm

Like the OP I was overjoyed when I finally found out what was wrong, this changed to mild depression as the realisation of the effect this disorder has had upon my life, I am now fairly at ease with it. The big risk I face is allowing the DX to become an excuse and use it to refrain from sociallising


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01 Jan 2009, 1:23 pm

AMAZING some of the stories here ... up until a couple of years ago, thinking I'm the only one who goes through anything like that!

In short; I was watching a PBS special on something or other that had a short bit about a 10 year old boy with AS. I watched with my jaw hitting the floor, thinking that A) this kid is a mirror image of me at his age and B) what do you that isn't normal? I thought this was stuff everyone struggled with and I just really, really sucked at it?

I got online and started learning all I could about AS and Autism, largely trying to disprove my emerging self-diagnosis. In no small part because I'm highly skeptical of most people who self-diagnose off WebMD (I do think we are largely a nation of hypochondriacs). But the more I learned, the more little online quizzes I took, the more the dx fit. A month or two later, a shrink unofficially confirmed it.

Like so many here, I felt huge relief; like I was suddenly seeing myself and the world around me through brand new eyes, or for the first time, or both.

I did later go through the helplessness/frustration stage but I don't think it had anything to do with the dx. More a loss of resources (namely, poor people's health insurance) to start figuring it all out. Back to DIY psychotherapy.

Yeah, there are downsides. Like finding out that my parents were told something was 'wrong' but withheld that dx from me and never pursued it, continuing on their chosen why-don't-you-just-try-harder/shaming-me-into-behaving-better road. I was really mad about that for a while, but also realized, "What am I going to do? Both parents are in their 80's, one with Alzheimer's, it's not like I can make us go back and re-do childhood family therapy." They did what they could with the resources they had at the time. Nearly all of my NT family doesn't believe it or doesn't want to believe it, still in the try-harder mindset.

I also spent a lot of time wondering how much easier my life had been if I hadn't spent so much of it trying to force my square-peg self into the round holes of society.

But again; what's past is past. Since the dx, it's been extremely helpful in choosing the next job, in relating to friends and family and coworkers. Even gave me the courage to tell my sisters; "I need to communicate with you guys via email and not verbally for a while ... for my health."

Of course, I could go on forever about this, but that's the center of the meat. Good luck to all of us as we figure out this strange planet we live on. Especially since 'help' is nearly always directed at children with AS, not adults.

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02 Jan 2009, 5:28 pm

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Wow, great thread! I'm 52 & just learned of AS a couple days ago while listening to an Aspie on a talk radio show & thought 'holy crap, he's talkin about me!'. Spent hours all over the web learning more, then joined here yesterday. Don't know if I'm quite qualified to self diagnose (and there might be traces of other things like ADD...?) but I do know what I can relate to & AS puts so much of the puzzle together I feel like I 'found' myself.
Some years ago I told a friend that I knew I was different & accepted it (without quite understanding why), and that I just needed a way to make it 'work for me'. Like, if I could just find the right job, start my own business, tap some 'inner resource'... well, I found some jobs I was good at but couldn't keep them. Growing up was much the same; few friends if any, hung out mostly with other 'outsiders', extremely self conscious - even fanatically so about my masculinity - always criticizing myself for saying or doing stupid things. I beat the hell outta myself all my life. At age 12 a counselor was helping me learn to look ppl in the eyes while talking & was getting better at it but it didn't last long.
Was always seeing therapists, counselors, taking psyche tests & such, got in trouble often & low grades - despite having 120+ IQ. Seems other folks were always frustrated with me, sometimes hostile for no apparent reason. Part of that, I realized some time ago, is my facial expressions, or lack of. Sometimes ppl think I'm angry just by looking at me & at times take it personally. Store clerks or food servers, for example, have been flat out rude to me at times before I've said or done anything - this actually happened: I go into a resturaunt, sit at the counter, turn the coffee cup up (normal signal that you want coffee), look at the menu & put it back then worked on my crossword puzzle while waiting for my order to be taken. After a while I notice the waitress walking by, I look at her but she won't look at me. This happens a few times ( I didn't say anything, was just baffled) & finally I leave but as I get to the door the waitress says "thank you". That was one of the more glaring of many examples.
These days I make it a point, if I remember, to make eye contact right away & smile, say hi or good morning. That helps alot. Long time ago I drove cab & was really good at it but was uncomfortable with ppl. In recent years I've experienced the sensory overload (like in malls) that I've heard about regarding AS. 2 or 3 times, at least, I'll be in a mall or store & feel detached like in a dream, I can see my body but can hardly even feel the floor I'm walking on. A vivid dream feeling, have had it while driving a couple times & it's a bit unnerving.
Well, I've rambled on & there seems like so much more...
Anyway, I just feel so relieved to be able to make sense of my unique-ness. I don't expect my life to magically change, at this stage, and most ppl will still not understand me. But knowing I'm not alone , that it's not my fault, means more to me than I can say right now.

Hugz, Qrissy


Hey Qris, welcome to Wrong Planet!

I was reading your post, and I notice I also have that problem you talk of, with sales clerks and people like that. I´ve been wondering why, too. Do you think people are expecting us to have a certain facial expression when we just go about our mundane business??? I really have no idea why people act rude to me before I even open my mouth...

I also have the problem that when I´m crossing the street, even when I have the right of way, cars sometimes act like they want to run me down....but when I´m with another person, they stop. I also have the problem that people bump into me a lot, which I particularly hate! And just the other day, a woman ran her baby stroller right over my feet.

Sorry for the rant! I just really don´t know why people do these things. I don´t know if people are just generally rude and crude, or if it´s "me".


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02 Jan 2009, 5:48 pm

It's amazing how many people have responded to this thread about accepting a Dx who won't have one for themselves for one reason or another.


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02 Jan 2009, 5:50 pm

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It's amazing how many people have responded to this thread about accepting a Dx who won't have one for themselves for one reason or another.



for me a dx has been really important. it has been an essential part of finding out who i am. i wanted to know.



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02 Jan 2009, 5:52 pm

I agree with Millie but just thought it was odd so many with no diagnosis would have any idea at all what it would be like having had one made and to live with it.


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02 Jan 2009, 6:33 pm

garyww wrote:
I agree with Millie but just thought it was odd so many with no diagnosis would have any idea at all what it would be like having had one made and to live with it.


I think those of us who are self diagnosed also go through basically the same process, hence the logic of answering this thread. For me, just finding out what AS was answered so many questions that I had no answer for before- (though I felt like I had been searching a long, long time)! We can all relate, though we are in different situations and find our answers in different ways.


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02 Jan 2009, 6:50 pm

garyww wrote:
I agree with Millie but just thought it was odd so many with no diagnosis would have any idea at all what it would be like having had one made and to live with it.


i think the mental DX is the key thing here.. and by that i mean the realization that you have a condition that will not change whatever you do...

i am currently in the starting phase of the Dx'ing...



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02 Jan 2009, 6:51 pm

Up to a point I agree but what about telling your wife or husband that you have a 'condition'? How about telling your boss that you may have some issues your psychiatrist mentioned you should talk about. How about telling your parents or your friends that you have been diagnoses with such and such of a condition, not just AS, perhaps something more serious. What about arguing with the DMV that even though you're autistic you still have a right to get a drivers license.
Having a diagnosis changes a lot of stuff that just imagining doesn't.


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02 Jan 2009, 8:01 pm

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Up to a point I agree but what about telling your wife or husband that you have a 'condition'? How about telling your boss that you may have some issues your psychiatrist mentioned you should talk about. How about telling your parents or your friends that you have been diagnosed with such and such of a condition, not just AS, perhaps something more serious. What about arguing with the DMV that even though you're autistic you still have a right to get a drivers license.
Having a diagnosis changes a lot of stuff that just imagining doesn't.


this is so true for me. and with an official dx, people have started to get off my case a bit, so to speak. so, my ex now understands why i am so volatile with meltdowns and so unable to regulate my feelings. now he understands why i have not been able to cope with random tactile expressions of affection from him. Before the dx, he honestly thought i must LOATHE him. And i do not. NOT at all. I just cannot stand to much intimacy and too much time around him or anyone else. People i know from 12 step programs who like me but used to pressure me to join in and come out for the sake of my "recovery" as they put it, have started to accept - now that i have a dx - that i am the way i am because things are neurologically somewhat different for me. a social grouping at a table for after meeting coffee IN NOT necessarily good for me in the same way it is for them. THe point is, the offical dx means a lot to others too. This has profound ramifications in my life and also in the life of others. Most importantly, my son who i love so much, knows that i need a lot of time on my own. He knows he is loved and he knows i care, and he also knows "mummy just needs to shut the door for a little while because of her Asperger's.) THat is perhaps the most important aspect of the dx for me. My son can grow up, knowing that he is NOT the reason i may need a lot of time out. and that, my friends on WP, is worth just as much as all the art supplies in the world, to me. (well.....on par anyway. still got a thing for my special interest!!)



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02 Jan 2009, 9:39 pm

To QrisJ and Morgana:

I used to refer to it as my personal invisibility cloak - later shocked to find that it's common with us Aspies to wonder if people around us even see us at all! Case in point, a conversation I had while working on the tech crew at a film festival last Spring:

Boss: I think all this mini-DV player needs is to be cleaned out. Too bad we don't have any canned air.

Me: I have some in my RV parked out back. I'll go get it...

John: (seeming to notice everyone in the room but me) I can go to Walgreens and buy some.

Me: I'm parked closer, it's really no trouble for me to go get mine...

Nicole: (seeming to notice everyone in the room but me) I think I have some at home. I can go check but it will take about an hour.

Me: Really, I do have canned air in my tool box, it will only take a sec...

Boss: (seeming to notice everyone in the room but me) Man! I wish we had some closer on hand!

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To garywww and Millie:

Only 2 years into my dx, I've been experimenting with the approach that I'm not going to solicit it, but I'm not going to hide it either. At work, I'll try to bring it up only in ways which simultaneously show that I'm striving to work through it to do better at work. For instance:

I had one of those classic moments recently where (metaphorically speaking) I'm asking a coworker about apples and she's angrily answering all about oranges.

I took a moment to write my question concisely on a piece of paper with a multiple choice answer:
__Yes.
__No.
__Depends.

Before showing it to her I explained: "This is me, not you, but I'm Autistic, giving me a bit of a language barrier and it's sometimes easier for me to be understood through written word than verbally. Here: (Showing her the note).

It worked like a charm! She was too in shock/not knowing what to say about someone declaring so bluntly "I'm (hot media buzzword that most people treat as a way bigger deal than I'm treating it)," so simply read the note and answered the question.

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02 Jan 2009, 11:49 pm

I was diagnosed a week ago. I have been feeling depressed about it but I've also got PMDD. When I'm not having those major depressive episodes during PMDD I feel ok about it, even relieved that I finally know why I am so different.
Sometimes it is tough, especially when I've never had a job and when I think of people my age that live on their own and are independent.
This year will be my toughest yet, but I will finally be able to work because I will hopefully get some assistance.



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I was diagnosed a week ago. I have been feeling depressed about it but I've also got PMDD. When I'm not having those major depressive episodes during PMDD I feel ok about it, even relieved that I finally know why I am so different.
Sometimes it is tough, especially when I've never had a job and when I think of people my age that live on their own and are independent.
This year will be my toughest yet, but I will finally be able to work because I will hopefully get some assistance.


good luck pensieve.
hope 2009 is a year of growth for you. :wink:



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I was diagnosed a week ago. I have been feeling depressed about it but I've also got PMDD. When I'm not having those major depressive episodes during PMDD I feel ok about it, even relieved that I finally know why I am so different.
Sometimes it is tough, especially when I've never had a job and when I think of people my age that live on their own and are independent.
This year will be my toughest yet, but I will finally be able to work because I will hopefully get some assistance.


good luck pensieve.
hope 2009 is a year of growth for you. :wink:

Thanks! Yes, I hope so too.



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03 Jan 2009, 1:16 am

millie wrote:
I am interested to ask people who have been diagnosed when older, how they have coped or are coping with an acceptance of the diagnosis. Initially I was over the moon and relieved. OF late, i have moved into a place of utter grief and depression about it. I am realising that my whole life i have had this naive and rather childlike view that "one day I will make sense of it all and one day i will click with people" and "one day this feeling of being disconnected from others" will be gone. I have also lived in the belief that all my issues have been surmountable and that i would be able to change and grow with time. But with my diagnosis, i am in fact realising there are a great many things that will never change, and that I am having to learn and accept that this is how it is for me.

How have other older aspies found this process to be? Does it get easier?


I was diagnosed about 3 years ago(age 31) and feel exactly the same. At first, I thought I had found the answer to every unanswerd question that I've ever had. While true, it was disappointing to find that I may never change. Now, I struggle with depression, on top of everything else, and sometimes wonder if I really wanted to know what I know now. Hmm....the saga continues.


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06 Aug 2018, 2:59 am

OMG i so could have written that myself. In fact I was so taken aback that I had to re read to compute if I was reading a post I never knew i posted .. hahahhhhaa

I had weeks of being so excited as if I had found the super hero in me. excuse my language here but i took on the moto.. No more f***s to give.. I could just be me, I understood myself and it felt like I was meeting myself for the first time.

Well 6 months later I was diagnosed at 41.. the first few days I felt relieved as if I could really just settle into being me.. But then I started feeling.. who the ding dong am i? I felt like I could not find the 'me' entangled in the masking.. What was me and waht was the masking.. omg then I went into an insane melt down.. a solid 8 days of almost hyperventilating with small bocks of hours where I could gather myself and go out for a bit and then back to crying and staying in bed all day..
I got stuck in a loop of ' Iv been trying to fix this for 23 years now.. actively, obsessively.. constantly ... and the realisation was just oo much for me that all that work would have been helpful but the finality of the fact that I could not fix this brought me to my knees.. I felt i could not go on.. I had not energy .. I could not see how I could go on in life..
I have been in a very depressive and complicated feeling state for the last 4 weeks ..
To day is my first day our of the vortex rabbit hole of hell..
I feel totally different.. Today i wrote a piece from the information that I have been patching together in my mind.. If you want to read it I have posted it in another post.. I think you can look at my other posts..

I had to re register as something happened to my profile but I did post in the time I was falling down the rabbit hole but it is not there.. sorry If im not all rainbows and ice creams but im just saying that you are not alone.. I nearly died of that feeling of aloneness and loneliness over the last 4 weeks but I did not and I feel fine again and have started to built strategies to co exist in this alien world around me..

I hope you find your way soon!