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31 Dec 2008, 10:13 pm

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There's more than one type of bipolar, some more extreme than others. However, manic depression is not a name for a type of bipolar, but an old name that has been replaced by bipolar.

Also, I don't think manic-depression ever was the proper term. Manic-depressive illness. It's mania and depression alternating, not a depression that's manic. There's nothing manic about a bipolar depression -- the mania is separate.


In the psychology class I took, we had an interview with a man who identified himself as manic-depressive and discussed his different episodes in length. At that time it was put forth that manic-depressive was a more severe form of bipolar disorder. However that may have been the turning point where the disorder was being relabeled and re-identification classification was not yet solidified.


"manic-depressive illness" is not a term that is used by the psychiatric community anymore, on the whole. it is considered an archaic term, outdated. it means exactly the same thing as saying "bipolar disorder". i have my textbooks right in front of me. and i have the disorder myself. have been learning about it for over 12 years (i was diagnosed at 16)....i am %100 confident that i am correct about this particular point.



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31 Dec 2008, 11:25 pm

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if you want to get real technical, all difficulties are beneficial if perceived from the right angle. a unique perspective can be alienating or inspiring, counter-productive or genius. it's all in how you use it. it's all in how you view it.


I am not sure that makes sense. I am not talking about looking at something from all angles until you find a way that it is beneficial. I am talking about things that are beneficial to specific areas. Being in a coma could be considered beneficial from certain angles, but not really in a discussion on running a marathon.


every new perspective tried or acquired provides new information. new information is always good. it's all about how you apply it, what you do with the new angle. you can apply almost anything almost anywhere and make it beneficial if you allow it to be a lesson. lessons are always beneficial, even if they are challenging or unpleasant to learn.


true, but how would your lesson directly benefit someone who is unable to bleed emotion into logic in the say way?


people can learn to blend logic with emotion with practice, just like anything else. all it takes is an open mind.


how do you know this for sure, and how could it be beneficial to them?

Based on other concurrent conversations I am having with you I am seriously beginning to doubt your claim that this is beneficial.



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31 Dec 2008, 11:26 pm

starvingartist wrote:
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There's more than one type of bipolar, some more extreme than others. However, manic depression is not a name for a type of bipolar, but an old name that has been replaced by bipolar.

Also, I don't think manic-depression ever was the proper term. Manic-depressive illness. It's mania and depression alternating, not a depression that's manic. There's nothing manic about a bipolar depression -- the mania is separate.


In the psychology class I took, we had an interview with a man who identified himself as manic-depressive and discussed his different episodes in length. At that time it was put forth that manic-depressive was a more severe form of bipolar disorder. However that may have been the turning point where the disorder was being relabeled and re-identification classification was not yet solidified.


"manic-depressive illness" is not a term that is used by the psychiatric community anymore, on the whole. it is considered an archaic term, outdated. it means exactly the same thing as saying "bipolar disorder". i have my textbooks right in front of me. and i have the disorder myself. have been learning about it for over 12 years (i was diagnosed at 16)....i am %100 confident that i am correct about this particular point.


the class was not recent. And you live in a different country than I did.



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31 Dec 2008, 11:33 pm

Shiggily wrote:
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if you want to get real technical, all difficulties are beneficial if perceived from the right angle. a unique perspective can be alienating or inspiring, counter-productive or genius. it's all in how you use it. it's all in how you view it.


I am not sure that makes sense. I am not talking about looking at something from all angles until you find a way that it is beneficial. I am talking about things that are beneficial to specific areas. Being in a coma could be considered beneficial from certain angles, but not really in a discussion on running a marathon.


every new perspective tried or acquired provides new information. new information is always good. it's all about how you apply it, what you do with the new angle. you can apply almost anything almost anywhere and make it beneficial if you allow it to be a lesson. lessons are always beneficial, even if they are challenging or unpleasant to learn.


true, but how would your lesson directly benefit someone who is unable to bleed emotion into logic in the say way?


people can learn to blend logic with emotion with practice, just like anything else. all it takes is an open mind.


how do you know this for sure, and how could it be beneficial to them?

Based on other concurrent conversations I am having with you I am seriously beginning to doubt your claim that this is beneficial.


you haven't read my poems or seen my artwork. if you had you would change your mind.



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31 Dec 2008, 11:47 pm

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you haven't read my poems or seen my artwork. if you had you would change your mind.


what would logic have to do with poems and artwork? I am talking in the context of being able to make logical rational decisions. Several people on this forum are desperately trying to discuss things with you intellectually and logically and it doesn't seem possible because you are constantly lashing out at them without taking their words into account.

Emotion has a place in art and poetry, logic might have a place as well. But in the instances I am talking about it doesn't seem beneficial.



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01 Jan 2009, 1:18 am

Shiggily wrote:
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btw bipolar disorder and manic depression are the same thing. manic-depression is the old, DSM-III name for the disorder, bipolar disorder is the DSM-IV label. six of one, half-dozen of the other.


I was under the impression that manic-depressive is the more extreme case of bipolar.


Hrmmm... I"m affraid your impression is wrong :D


shoo


come back when you can offer something remotely intelligent to the conversation.


Hrmm...I think not :D I've seen what offering intelligence to your "conversations" amounts to and I"m affraid your idea of intelligent conversation is a little too cerebral and not enough human for me :D That being said, I"m going to stop reading your posts now. Too bad there is no ignore button on here.... as I'm sure you will agree :D


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01 Jan 2009, 1:27 am

Nights_Like_These wrote:
Shiggily wrote:
Nights_Like_These wrote:
Shiggily wrote:
starvingartist wrote:

btw bipolar disorder and manic depression are the same thing. manic-depression is the old, DSM-III name for the disorder, bipolar disorder is the DSM-IV label. six of one, half-dozen of the other.


I was under the impression that manic-depressive is the more extreme case of bipolar.


Hrmmm... I"m affraid your impression is wrong :D


shoo


come back when you can offer something remotely intelligent to the conversation.


Hrmm...I think not :D I've seen what offering intelligence to your "conversations" amounts to and I"m affraid your idea of intelligent conversation is a little too cerebral and not enough human for me :D That being said, I"m going to stop reading your posts now. Too bad there is no ignore button on here.... as I'm sure you will agree :D


I will try really hard to care.



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01 Jan 2009, 1:30 am

Shiggily wrote:
Nights_Like_These wrote:
Shiggily wrote:
Nights_Like_These wrote:
Shiggily wrote:
starvingartist wrote:

btw bipolar disorder and manic depression are the same thing. manic-depression is the old, DSM-III name for the disorder, bipolar disorder is the DSM-IV label. six of one, half-dozen of the other.


I was under the impression that manic-depressive is the more extreme case of bipolar.


Hrmmm... I"m affraid your impression is wrong :D


shoo


come back when you can offer something remotely intelligent to the conversation.


Hrmm...I think not :D I've seen what offering intelligence to your "conversations" amounts to and I"m affraid your idea of intelligent conversation is a little too cerebral and not enough human for me :D That being said, I"m going to stop reading your posts now. Too bad there is no ignore button on here.... as I'm sure you will agree :D


I will try really hard to care.


Yes, you strike me as someone who WOULD have to try really hard to care.....Well, don't try too hard :D Wouldn't want you to pop a blood vessel or anything :D take care now!


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01 Jan 2009, 1:57 am

Nights_Like_These wrote:
Shiggily wrote:
Nights_Like_These wrote:
Shiggily wrote:
Nights_Like_These wrote:
Shiggily wrote:
starvingartist wrote:

btw bipolar disorder and manic depression are the same thing. manic-depression is the old, DSM-III name for the disorder, bipolar disorder is the DSM-IV label. six of one, half-dozen of the other.


I was under the impression that manic-depressive is the more extreme case of bipolar.


Hrmmm... I"m affraid your impression is wrong :D


shoo


come back when you can offer something remotely intelligent to the conversation.


Hrmm...I think not :D I've seen what offering intelligence to your "conversations" amounts to and I"m affraid your idea of intelligent conversation is a little too cerebral and not enough human for me :D That being said, I"m going to stop reading your posts now. Too bad there is no ignore button on here.... as I'm sure you will agree :D


I will try really hard to care.


Yes, you strike me as someone who WOULD have to try really hard to care.....Well, don't try too hard :D Wouldn't want you to pop a blood vessel or anything :D take care now!


Zing! :lol:



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01 Jan 2009, 2:07 am

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Yes, you strike me as someone who WOULD have to try really hard to care.....Well, don't try too hard :D Wouldn't want you to pop a blood vessel or anything :D take care now!


I don't allow the things people say to get me emotionally worked up. I have been through enough to know that getting emotionally worked up over people who are annoying you just to rile you up is silly and useless. I only allow emotions to influence me to an extent that I can still act rationally and calm down. I don't fight when I am angry, I don't fight in public, I handle my interaction calmly and rationally. This way I don't say things I regret and I don't harm my relationships by getting angry and lashing out at people. And I don't make the same mistakes my father does.

I care only about things and people which are important and arguing with someone over the internet is not one of those things. Sorry if you were wanting to upset me, you would have to try a lot harder.