The future of Autisim!

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Still waiting.

You're distorting what Cornflake said.

While I disagree with wavefreak58's decision to call you schizophrenic (or even understand what point he was trying to make with it), I don't think he has a reading comprehension problem.

Outliers aren't evidence of evolutionary success. Many genetic variations are not lethal or disabling enough to prevent particular traits from being passed on. Many neurological differences (autism, ADHD, bipolar, schizophrenia, etc) fall into this category. They don't stick around because they are persistent and strong, but because they don't generally cause enough problems to be prevent perpetuation.

Oh, you really are something special, aren't you?
That cheap trick didn't work the first time around so it's hardly going to start working this time, is it?

Just as a reminder:


if you really want to call it that, and I wouldn't

I did not distort it at all. He said it and he meant it because he continues to defend the statement by defending his position that people with AS are disabled.

Wavefreak has a reading comprehension problem or he didn't even bother to read what I wrote before he replied. In fact if the latter is the case it is worse than a lack of reading comprehension it is merely a post in which he throws around baseless allegations of mental illness to win a point on the internet and not much different than calling some on a dumbass N-word.


You want to defend that behavior?

As to your point about traits being passed on. Many traits we developed as hunters and gatherers were survival positive in that situation but aren't as survival positive in our current post hunter and gatherer world but many of of those traits which today are identified as being on the spectrum survive.

I don't see a cheap trick unless you refer to yourself. I do see a person who called people with AS Disabled and Broken. You said you are broken but then said you would not call it that. I got to wonder why I am being called someone with schizophrenia? BTW stating something then saying you would not say that is a wonderful cop out.

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BTW I am still waiting but I will be going to bed in 2 minutes so feel free to attack me with abandon for the next 8 hours.

Curious how the definition of "reading comprehension" means one thing in one post, and something different in another.

Here, let me spell it out for you: "wouldn't" is a contraction of "would not", therefore what I said expands to "and I would not" [call it broken].
It doesn't matter how many times you deliberately mis-quote me, because I still mean "I would not call it broken".
Spot the use of the negative in there?
Good boy!

Amazing how you say one thing like I am broken then say I would not call it that. But continue to insist that people with AS are disabled? Doesn't disabled mean broken?

well I am off to bed Mr. I am broken but I wouldn't call it that.

... Wow.

He explained twice what he actually meant. That you insist on trying to hold him to your misreading does you no good, and makes your comments about reading comprehension highly questionable.



It's nothing like calling you the n-word. "Schizophrenia" isn't a slur, and I explicitly did not defend his behavior. However, I have interacted with him many times since I started posting here, and I have never seen him have serious "reading comprehension" difficulties.

I don't think he should have said that, but I do think that I can understand his frustration.



I do not know that they are necessarily hunter/gatherer traits, and I am not sure we can really know either way. They survive because there's no pressure to make them disappear. Poke explained this in detail in another thread.

Disabled doesn't mean "broken." "Broken" means "broken." "Disabled" means not having the full range of expected abilities, which accurately describes those who are on the spectrum and fit the diagnostic criteria for any ASD. That is:

I usually don't adopt such a snide tone, but I really couldn't think of anything that would untangle the mess of ideas Gideon is trying to put across. I'm pretty non-linear and out of the box myself, but jeez, at least show SOME coherence.

Yeah, the ideas aren't really well-constructed. I see what he's getting at, but the case just isn't there.

@Gideon

Legal Definition of Disablity that those with Autism fall under for the Americans with Disability Act "ADA":

Having an impairment that substantially limits ones ability to Socially Interact, is why Autism is considered legally as a disability. The ability to socially interact is a major life activity.

Does this mean a person with Autism is broken. A broken man can mean many things: an unhappy man, a depressed man, an unemployed man, a man no longer able to function, etc.

While all people diagnosed on the Autism Spectrum are considered to have a legal disability because they have an impairment that limits a major life activity, whether or not an Autistic person is broken is a subjective judgement.

I could call a person with Autism broken because they have an impairment; but it is meaningless if they are happy with the way they function.

I could also call a person with Autism an individual with a legal disability; if I had proof of that diagnosis; but it would still be up to that person, to psychologically accept it as a disability or even minor impairment.

And, if a person is happy with the way they function and it doesn't impair any major life activities, from the perspective of a psychiatrist, they would not meet the criteria that is required for a diagnosis of Autism. In this case they wouldn't meet the ADA legal definition of disability, either.

There is nothing wrong with a person defending the value they see in their self as a unique individual; just trying to provide the most objective definitions I am aware of to clarify the difference between broken and disabled.

If a person is in the working world and is diagnosed on the Autism Spectrum, the ADA law can help that individual avoid discrimination in the workplace. It can make a difference in having a job and not having a job.

Even if an individual with Autism perceives that they get along well with their fellow employees; a perception, otherwise, by a supervisor, without the backing of the ADA, could lead to an individual's termination.

The traits beneficial for hunters in prehistoric times were physical prowess (alpha male status), social cooperation, and motor coordination required to use hand held weapons like spears. If we retained physical advantages above and beyond that of an NT to hunt; I think we would probably have a hunting and fishing forum on this website.

I live in an area where hunting and fishing is the number one recreational activity for males. From observation, the traits above, are still evident, among the most successful hunters. I haven't known many people, with Autistic traits, that have an inherent desire to hunt and kill wildlife.

I helped start a hunting club; not out of desire, but because it became part of my job. There were no introverted males in the group; a group of socially oriented males with one single purpose; to kill deer.

A person can hunt by themselves today, but without successful social interaction, physical prowess with respect to Alpha male status, and motor coordination, survival in prehistoric times would be less likely. Particularly, if we are talking about Neanderthrals and Wooly Mammoths.

Would any of us be talking about this, if the "Aspie Quiz" wasn't associated with the "Neanderthral Theory of Autism"?

I don't believe people will be stupid enough to homogenise the human gene pool, I don't think aspies will overtake NTs though because NTs have sex more