The rise of fascism on WP-excessively dominant posters
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Whaaaa?! But, you sound so normal to me! Are you sure you're NT? You don't seem NT, you're fitting in here way too well to be one of those people.
I am very pedantic, a trait that is welcome only in small (very small) doses. I can let that freak flag fly more here. This may be a borderline autistic trait (after all, I have an autistic daughter and it is genetic) but it doesn't make a diagnosis. (Also, I took you literally

I once PM a poster this..
"Uhm, didn't you notice that (the one who never apologised for name calling) just attacked the three of us?"
Well, the gablump (not real name, poopy my memory) posted something like this in the thread.
"DON'T EVER TALK TO ME LIKE THAT IN PM AGAIN!!"


"So what happened in the other thread? Is this your new favorite place to help people?"
Well, I sent helper Gubamp, or gubablimp, whatever their name was a big 'screw you, you don't control me!" kind of PM for blowing fire toiletry down my throat via thread performance. They took it, and posted it as if it was the first PM message. All for fun and happy little giggles, I'm sure. It worked for them to. They won from there on. Any time I PM anybody anything they don't want, all they have to do is tell the mods, and the mods 'warn' me as if I'm some "harasser" and troll. Boy, I better watch myself if people don't understand my points again huh?
I once PM a poster this..
"Uhm, didn't you notice that (the one who never apologised for name calling) just attacked the three of us?"
Well, the gablump (not real name, poopy my memory) posted something like this in the thread.
"DON'T EVER TALK TO ME LIKE THAT IN PM AGAIN!!"


"So what happened in the other thread? Is this your new favorite place to help people?"
Well, I sent helper Gubamp, or gubablimp, whatever their name was a big 'screw you, you don't control me!" kind of PM for blowing fire toiletry down my throat via thread performance. They took it, and posted it as if it was the first PM message. All for fun and happy little giggles, I'm sure. It worked for them to. They won from there on. Any time I PM anybody anything they don't want, all they have to do is tell the mods, and the mods 'warn' me as if I'm some "harasser" and troll. Boy, I better watch myself if people don't understand my points again huh?
Oh I remember that.
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i was once part of a far left wing forum for communists, we all agreed on some pretty basic things, the eliminations of surplus value, the libertarian of the working class, direct democracy, to an outsider we would have all appeared identicle in belief, so people must have wondered what in the world did we ever debate about if we agreed with eachother?
Oh well we found a way - to such an extant that each clique was had about 15 people in a forum far larger then this one, and it ended with me and a dozen others getting banned, an admin coup, a change in leadership and the eventual rise of a more democratic forum then before after the toppling of a tyrant, I kind of got swept under the rug as a troublemaker on trumped up charges during the drama..
Oh geez. I've found that socialists (at least in America where I live) tend to be some of the worst for factionalism and getting nothing done because of fighting with each other. The autistic community have nothing on them.
Must agree, or this is at least true of the marxist section, the anarchist section (and theres basically just those two sections to communism) doesn't behave in the same way because the organisational structure is inherently different, theres a different tradition.
Even worse... you can end up with a group forming itself around you, and find yourself nearly powerless to escape it and thus assumed one of it.
I happened to be the leader of the technocratic transhumanist socialists, power trip.
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'not only has he hacked his intellect away from his feelings, but he has smashed his feelings and his capacity for judgment into smithereens'.
All I wanted to do was to call out those who are dogmatic and maintain argumentative stances, often disagreeing on principle, and forever finding fault.
That is a form a bullying
Disagreeing with somebody and forever finding fault because you don't like them can be bullying. But is that really what's happening here? What I see is just that posters (unsurprisingly) have firm opinions and will defend those opinions fiercely. If two posters have firm but opposing opinions, they will consistently disagree with each other and consistently find fault with each other's position. If poster A's opinion is shared by more people than poster B's opinion, the illusion of a hierarchy can be created, with the poster who posts most frequently at the top and those who post less frequently in the middle seeming like "cronies" because they agree when they log on twice a day and see this thread with an opinion they agree with. Then poster B with an opinion shared by only a few (or maybe no other) posters seems on the bottom regardless of how often they post.
I've been on other forums where the popularity contest is intense and is even the only dynamic at work. Everyone who is friends with each other only agrees with each other, and when a hapless new person comes along everyone dumps on him/her, regardless of what they have expressed, unless it's absolutely in line with the current status quo. But I have not seen that here. At all. I do, however, think there is a tendency to agree with previous posters in a thread, not because of popularity or wanting to be accepted, but because people see a valid point being made and they respond to it. (And there may even be some tendency to agree with posters who are well known and are known to make thoughtful arguments for their points.) I can see some threads going in a different direction if the initial posters responding to the OP had said something different. But I think that is far from bullying.
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I've been on other forums where the popularity contest is intense and is even the only dynamic at work. Everyone who is friends with each other only agrees with each other, and when a hapless new person comes along everyone dumps on him/her, regardless of what they have expressed, unless it's absolutely in line with the current status quo. But I have not seen that here. At all. I do, however, think there is a tendency to agree with previous posters in a thread, not because of popularity or wanting to be accepted, but because people see a valid point being made and they respond to it. (And there may even be some tendency to agree with posters who are well known and are known to make thoughtful arguments for their points.) I can see some threads going in a different direction if the initial posters responding to the OP had said something different. But I think that is far from bullying.
Hence the general reality of making a thread: the first reply is the most important one and will probably define the rest of the thread.
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'not only has he hacked his intellect away from his feelings, but he has smashed his feelings and his capacity for judgment into smithereens'.
Oh boy, you realize that declaring yourself as a leader of anything on the left is a surefire way to splinter it right? Based on what I've seen it can happen even if it's just two people and they're deciding on lunch! Even the parties I sort of mostly agree with in my country I can't join because the favorite pastime seems to be fighting any other member within earshot until the party splinters. This continues until it becomes clear no one will get anyone elected if they keep it up, when they all form up to make one large entity that then resumes the cycle of slowly splitting itself back down.
I mean, I'd make a party of one just for myself and declare myself leader of it, except I'm afraid the rule would still hold and I'd be left with two factions of my mind waging bitter cynical war for control, accusing one another of having betrayed my ideals and sold out to become a dangerous narcissistic control freak on a power trip that surely leads straight into a totalitarian fascist state.

I once PM a poster this..
"Uhm, didn't you notice that (the one who never apologised for name calling) just attacked the three of us?"
Well, the gablump (not real name, poopy my memory) posted something like this in the thread.
"DON'T EVER TALK TO ME LIKE THAT IN PM AGAIN!!"


"So what happened in the other thread? Is this your new favorite place to help people?"
Well, I sent helper Gubamp, or gubablimp, whatever their name was a big 'screw you, you don't control me!" kind of PM for blowing fire toiletry down my throat via thread performance. They took it, and posted it as if it was the first PM message. All for fun and happy little giggles, I'm sure. It worked for them to. They won from there on. Any time I PM anybody anything they don't want, all they have to do is tell the mods, and the mods 'warn' me as if I'm some "harasser" and troll. Boy, I better watch myself if people don't understand my points again huh?
Sorry to hear that this sort of immaturity happens. It's bound to. None of us can control what another says or thinks (in fact the very idea is abhorrent) but we can all control how we choose to react to said immaturity, rudeness or flat out poopyheadism. If someone is on a rant, just fishing for that one person having a sensitive day or out and out trolling, the best stategy is to not feed into it. Personally I'd never send a PM that was anything other than polite. I'd never arm a potential enemy with further ammunition in which to shoot me down in flames. Those kind of people are very much a part of internet life - even here. They are playing a game. If you choose to engage them, you had better know the rules.
Trust me, I've learned them the hard way too.
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Thanks Auntie, very good advice. Actually, STFU should be my main mantra.
I get into strife from speaking my mind. I have this sheriff on a white horse with a white hat thing going on, its my natural disposition. When I see a poster being unfair to another especially youngsters and sweet peas I get an urge to take out the bully. Occasionally I get wounded from the fights.
I'm covered in scars
I'm wondering how many other aspies can benefit from STFU?
Oh well, any publicity is good publicity?
I'm covered in scars.
That describes me to a T on another forum that I was on a few years ago. I was a moderator and I was also old, while the average kid on the forum was about 15. Whenever someone did something nasty to another person, especially to a hapless kid, I would come charging in on my white horse, taking off heads. While this was appreciated at first, I went off on people too often and too passionately, even if they deserved it. I wasn't banned from the forum but ended up ostracized and seen as a crazy person. I ended up with many battle scars, some of which I am still nursing today. I have never seen on this forum the kind of behavior I witnessed there, so I think you may be overreacting. But regardless, it's better to find your inner diplomat than your inner knight in shining armor. Some of us learned this the hard way, and it seems you have too, so why persevere?
Been there. Done that. Gonna do it again. Soon, most likely. It's an aspie thing ...
Yes.
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Been there. Done that. Gonna do it again. Soon, most likely. It's an aspie thing ...
Same.
I want to say something about relative positions appearing worse than they are when you're on the receiving end and how people of good will can disagree. Instead, I'll just point out there are people on WP with whom I have disagreed vehemently but I still like to read their posts and interact with them. I don't mind meeting people I agree with, and I'll say there are a few posters who say things that are very much like what I would have said if I got there first. Should I change my opinions because someone else got there first?
i don't care what everyone else has said on this topic, because i agree, when i first joined i felt accepted. like someone gave a damn about me on the internet for once.
then i found wow and forgot about WP for a few years\months however long it was, then i came back WP had changed.
i now feel alienated, left out, unaccepted, take your time i have more. no one gives a damn or wants to understand me.
it's like deviant art, all the really good artists with a ton of views think they can do and say whatever they want, like that one bleedman. [who i'm my opinion is ruining a bunch of good cartoons in his comics]
or conquer where posting is like jumping in a shark tank holding a juicy steak, if you don't kiss everyone's rear end you are screwed end of story.
at first i loved posting here eager to know what other ideas there were or to solve more mysteries about my own illness, but the way things are going now i'm afraid to post, cause every time i do i get ridiculed. infact after i post this i will be waiting for someone to belittle me cause i know it's coming.
i don't care how many years you've been here, i don't care what your rank is, i don't care what title you have been given, nothing gives you the right to cut down others just because their opinion's differ from yours!
the only reason i have lashed out recently is because you all started it. for the last few months i have been going through a hell i wouldn't inflict on my worst enemy, and my dad has not been making it much easier. the last thing i need is someone harping at me when i am miserable!
my god i needed to get that out i think i've been holding that in for about a year and a half.
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