Am i the only one with NO empathy for the Cinema Massacre?

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26 Jul 2012, 1:16 pm

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By the way how do know those jokes were created by an NT? More likely by a real sociopath.

I knew a few people at school who were into making and honing those sorts of jokes. Yeah, you're right, probably sociopaths considering other dumb things those ones thought were funny to do.
(are sociopaths not considered NT?)



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26 Jul 2012, 1:23 pm

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(are sociopaths not considered NT?)


I should hope not, as NT stands for 'neurologically typical', and last I checked, sociopathy is not neurologically typical.

That's the whole problem I have with the word 'neurotypical', as it's often used to mean 'not autistic', kinda ignoring that there is a whole range of atypical neurologies that are pertinently NOT autism. It creates a weird 'we vs them' mindset in which the 'they' is defined only in the vaguest of terms. And more importantly, it does not follow any logic.


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26 Jul 2012, 1:27 pm

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Venger wrote:
By the way how do know those jokes were created by an NT? More likely by a real sociopath.

I knew a few people at school who were into making and honing those sorts of jokes. Yeah, you're right, probably sociopaths considering other dumb things those ones thought were funny to do.
(are sociopaths not considered NT?)


Sociopaths(ASPD) aren't NT. However, they often appear to be NT since they usually act normal as a result of not saying what they're really thinking most of the time. In other words they're fake.

The person who made that "Grand Theft Aurora" thing is probably an ASPD by the way.



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26 Jul 2012, 1:43 pm

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Sociopaths(ASPD) aren't NT. However, they often appear to be NT since they usually act normal as a result of not saying what they're really thinking most of the time. In other words they're fake.

The person who made that "Grand Theft Aurora" thing is probably an ASPD by the way.


I don't know that it's important if they do or do not have any disorder. In either case they would have composed this picture, unrelated to their neurology.


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26 Jul 2012, 1:51 pm

Thanks Vengers and CyclopsSummers for sorting me out on that 8)



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26 Jul 2012, 2:20 pm

There are two sure things in life... Death and taxes. I consider taxes to be a form of death in and othis self so that really leaves us with just death. 150,000-300,000 people die per day, Twelve of those people died in this instance. I absolutely feel for them and there families especially, this was an unnatural and premature death but sometimes, you need to put things in perspective.



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26 Jul 2012, 2:23 pm

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I find that as I age I have more life experience, which means more loss and more personal tragedy. This helps me to be better at identifying with the feelings of others.
Apart from losing the odd family member or pet, it's possible you haven't ever seen anything die that you valued or identified with, and so death is a far and unfamiliar concept that is completely abstract to you.


I think this could be very relevant. I haven't even lost a family member I've been close to, and while I had a few pets for a short time, I never really connected with them. In most cases I feel a profound disconnection from the rest of the living world, except for in the sense of wanting to understand how life "works" on a molecular level.

Since I have a fundamental bitterness about how a lot of things work in the world, I tend to identify with individuals who feel "against the world". That's probably part of why I (and maybe the OP) have a hard time empathizing about this tragedy--I reflexively identify the moviegoers with "the world" and tend to try and put myself in the shoes of the shooter, only secondarily trying to see myself in the position of one of the victims. I'd actually be more apt to empathize with both sides if it had been a duel between two individuals--then there is no "person" or "world", and I would weigh the two equally.

Along these lines, while I want relationships for the sex, it possibly is even more to be able to feel a connection, to feel joined to someone else's body and life processes. If I sometimes feel in some respects barely alive, how do I empathize with a mass death?



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26 Jul 2012, 3:32 pm

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While I want and tell myself I have empathy and compassion for those killed, I feel nothing. I believe what happened was wrong and wish it never happened. However, people die everyday and I have no connection to the people who died. Therefore I think my emotions are appropriate.
I think your opinion of this is great, and sounds a lot like mine...although, I worry now; have I misinterpreted what sympathy means, or have I confused it with something else?- I don't care for the people, but feel the act of what happened to them was wrong... :?


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26 Jul 2012, 3:44 pm

I think I'm different here... I have too much empathy. Sometimes I read horrible things in the news and then they disturb me for many more months. If I read too many bad stories I start feeling depressed. I wouldn't ever know exactly how they feel (who would?) but I definitely feel something for them.



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26 Jul 2012, 5:32 pm

I am a diagnosed asperger person and I still have feelings and I think it was totally selfish of that person to go in there and kill innocent people who were just out for a night to see the film. Many loved ones were lost that night, so I think you need to take some time to think what you have written.



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26 Jul 2012, 6:29 pm

I do feel empathy but that depends on the situation or person if I can truly relate. When the news of the Cinema came on TV for the first time, I got surprised and thought "Wow, over a Batman movie?" I felt bad for those people who were getting ready to watch Batman only to experience the real action. I will admit that by the second day of these news, I didn't feel much of anything for it and did not "exaggerate" much like NT's because I just got over it fast. The only thing that interests me is James Holmes because I want to know what was going on in his head. He shouldn't have done that, now people fear going to the movies.

I understand what you're saying, you want to feel bad for the people, but you can't and I kind of feel that way right now but I'm not a bad person, I don't like hurting people. The picture you posted made me smile, but I didn't want to. If you're laughing at the picture itself, I guess it's alright, but if you're laughing because of the incident, then there's more than just Aspergers.


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26 Jul 2012, 6:58 pm

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Personally I hate it when someone says to me "I know exactly how you feel (blah blah blah)". I find it annoying, insulting and that they're belittling the problem. If that's empathy then I think empathy is a bit over-rated. That may just be me... or it may be an Aspie thing?


I was going to say, I think it's kind of crass when some people really react dramatically to something in the news. It's obviously fake, and to me it just seems kind of disrespectful to the people who were actually involved and actually have a reason to be very upset.



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26 Jul 2012, 7:41 pm

I can definitely feel sad for them. I lost my dad at age 3 because of drunken driver. Sad loosing family or such to something so meaningless. They will never be the same. What's even worse is they will think what if he hadn gone to the movie. That only makes it worse.


I hope they don't blame video games again. Because video games aren't bad but that crazy jack thompsen likes to get attention every time something like this happens.

I do hope that.dude gets to rot in prison for the rest of his life. So many lives ruined. And he takes his misery out on totally innocent people that's disgusting



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26 Jul 2012, 10:06 pm

There are many Tinmen and Tinwomen in this world. They come both with and without Autisim. Honestly in my book they are the lowest form of humanity, and even some animals have more compassion. If you can think, there is no excuse for it and you have chosen to be that way. I both pity and abhor you.



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26 Jul 2012, 10:13 pm

I don't feel any empathy and even laugh at the stuff 4chan says about it. I feel kinda bad for laughing at a tragedy like that,



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26 Jul 2012, 10:42 pm

I do not feel bad about that. I did not know them... they are not part of my little world. People think I am cold because of this. If we all were to feel bad over every single person who dies we would never stop feeling bad. Death happens. It is not the first time someone has gone nuts and killed a bunch of people. It will likely not be the last. It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world.


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