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21 Mar 2007, 11:33 am

Hi, Diamonddavej! Great article!! You are truly a special person to start up an AS support group!! You are going to help a lot of folks feel heard and appreciated. I just started attending a support group, and it's just awesome to sit around and talk about our social goofiness and special interests, and just feel comfortable in a group setting for once in our lives. To others on this thread, here are my thoughts on this subject. Yes, I'm officially diagnosed with Aspergers, but I would personally have a very hard time trying to "diagnose" or disprove other folks on WP without meeting them face-to-face. Anyone can write anything, and probably alot of us can write a heck of a lot better than we can talk! You can't see the physical signs in writing! I've said this on another thread, but for those of you wondering whether or not you really have AS, I would recommend that you try to attend a support group. You will know within a couple of minutes whether or not you truly fit. I get the most surreal vibe whenever I run into someone with AS; I can't really explain it but it's great. And it's not something that really comes through much in writing. I just enjoy WP because you guys are interesting!! I wouldn't want to spend time over-analyzing anybody else's situation.



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21 Mar 2007, 11:34 am

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This is when an undiagnosed Aspie starts to notice that their cute and funny eccentricity that used to make people laugh is preventing them from making friendships and being “normal”.


OH, GOD!! Is that what I'm doing wrong? But if I'm not cute and funny, I don't know how to be. I didn't know no one like puppies. Maybe having a positive outlook is undesirable, too. Should I act like I'm at a stranger's funeral all the time?????

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Fear, Graelwyn. Fear of rejection. Why do you think? I get rejection all thime "out there". I don't want to be rejected by my own kind, too.[/quote]


True, but looking back on this thread, it seems to be only the initial poster we have to worry about really, on a forum with a sizeable number of members. I naturally fear rejection immensely, but in the end, I know that I know who I am and the issues I have. And nothing another says can change that.


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21 Mar 2007, 11:39 am

<waves at Unnamed> welcome . you articulate well.


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21 Mar 2007, 11:46 am

Thanks, Rhino! Good luck to all of you.



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21 Mar 2007, 11:49 am

One of my tasks in running the social group is meeting people who are going to the group for the first time. I don’t know what they look like, but I a can always spot them and I introduce myself. Well I made one mistake in 4 years; he was an American Tourist.

I was late for a meeting once and there were several new members arriving that day, they all found each other. We all found it curious and funny that we could spot each other in a busy city.

Also, we have people who come to the group who think they have AS but don’t have a diagnosis. In the 4 years there has been dozens of people who have sought advice on whether they had AS or not, only two were wrong. The first was a 20 year old Uni student...

As soon as I met him I knew he didn’t have AS, because he shook my hand. Aspies don’t shake hands. Also, he didn’t have a hobby. That’s the other thing, he seemed so boring because he had no interests. The other guy had Paranoid Schizophrenia, he smoked allot of dope in his youth. So, I think self-diagnosis is usually very accurate.



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21 Mar 2007, 11:49 am

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I note quite a few explaining why they think they have AS in this thread, and the thought is running through my head...why do you feel the need to justify yourselves? Why should anyone here have to justify whether they have AS or not to any other member? Just a thought.


Thats why I say I'm not sure in my profile. I do not have to worry about explaining. There is no way to quantify the degree a person has aspergers so one person officially diagnosis by a world leading expert may be the founder and CEO of a multi-billion dollar technology company and another maybe living in a cardboard box under a bridge alone.

This site is for a broader audience than just a small percent of offical diagnosied aspies its for all develomental disorders. A person not meeting enough criteria for aspergers may likely meet the PDD-NOS criteria and those people are welcome here to.



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21 Mar 2007, 12:11 pm

Diamonddavej wrote:
One of my tasks in running the social group is meeting people who are going to the group for the first time. I don’t know what they look like, but I a can always spot them and I introduce myself. Well I made one mistake in 4 years; he was an American Tourist.

I was late for a meeting once and there were several new members arriving that day, they all found each other. We all found it curious and funny that we could spot each other in a busy city.

Also, we have people who come to the group who think they have AS but don’t have a diagnosis. In the 4 years there has been dozens of people who have sought advice on whether they had AS or not, only two were wrong. The first was a 20 year old Uni student...

As soon as I met him I knew he didn’t have AS, because he shook my hand. Aspies don’t shake hands. Also, he didn’t have a hobby. That’s the other thing, he seemed so boring because he had no interests. The other guy had Paranoid Schizophrenia, he smoked allot of dope in his youth. So, I think self-diagnosis is usually very accurate.


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21 Mar 2007, 12:13 pm

ya, its like gay-dar. I guess you'd call it Aspies-dar. lol. (Gay-dar, like raidar.)


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21 Mar 2007, 12:25 pm

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ya, its like gay-dar. I guess you'd call it Aspies-dar. lol. (Gay-dar, like radar.)


But my interpretation of the DSM-IV criteria for aspergers would make aspies terrible at "Aspie-dar". I think one likely route to this threads original posters logic and I see it often is people assume that their lives are a microcosm of all others. So if I'm officially diagnosed as having XYZ then any variance I see in others who claim to have XYZ must be because they do not have XYZ. When the truth is there is a large variance in people with XYZ.



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21 Mar 2007, 12:52 pm

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Clueless_Rhino wrote:
ya, its like gay-dar. I guess you'd call it Aspies-dar. lol. (Gay-dar, like radar.)


But my interpretation of the DSM-IV criteria for aspergers would make aspies terrible at "Aspie-dar".

How so? You know that old saying it takes one to know one.


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21 Mar 2007, 12:54 pm

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I'm not saying it's baseless crock, I'm saying it wouldn't hold up to any kind of real analysis of the process. There's just too little data to make a credible diagnosis and too many variables.

What I think is that they see things that make them question it. We all probably see things like that. Posts are merely glimpses into people.


But in the meantime those unoffically diagnosed are reduced to feel they do not belong here because a few people making claims they can not back up.


Then they need to be reminded that those people are not "experts" and that their opinion is just an opinion and has no weight in the scheme of things. It's the same thing as the kids or adults teasing someone. They can only hurt your feelings if you actually care what they think. I don't. I could give a crap about them. They don't pay my bills or my taxes. I'm not married to them. Therefore, in the scheme of things their opinion means nothing to me.

There you go. I told you I could be harsh. I don't care what anyone thinks about that either.



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21 Mar 2007, 12:58 pm

It would be very interesting to go through the history of this board (or even all the aspie boards) to see when the "poseur" accusations began. I think this stems from the instinct (which even aspies have, apparently) to exclude people from a group. The search isn't working here so I can't start looking.

I might have schizotypal personality disorder and not AS, but I think I have AS. Especially since my son is (unquestionably) autistic, and I do believe there is a strong genetic component in autism.



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21 Mar 2007, 12:59 pm

On a related note, every time I choose "have asperger's-- undiagnosed" in my profile, within a few days it starts to say "have asperger's-- diagnosed." Is this a glitch? Does anyone else have this happen to their profile?



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21 Mar 2007, 1:08 pm

bizarre wrote:
TheMachine1 wrote:
Clueless_Rhino wrote:
ya, its like gay-dar. I guess you'd call it Aspies-dar. lol. (Gay-dar, like radar.)


But my interpretation of the DSM-IV criteria for aspergers would make aspies terrible at "Aspie-dar".

How so? You know that old saying it takes one to know one.


From a logic stand point aspies could if they had alot of data on people make a good guesses. But Gay-Dar refers to a fairly rapid ability to in a usually face to face situation make a determination a person is Gay with very little data.



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21 Mar 2007, 1:12 pm

Apatura wrote:
On a related note, every time I choose "have asperger's-- undiagnosed" in my profile, within a few days it starts to say "have asperger's-- diagnosed." Is this a glitch? Does anyone else have this happen to their profile?


mine flip flops sometimes


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21 Mar 2007, 1:25 pm

Sedaka wrote:
Apatura wrote:
On a related note, every time I choose "have asperger's-- undiagnosed" in my profile, within a few days it starts to say "have asperger's-- diagnosed." Is this a glitch? Does anyone else have this happen to their profile?


mine flip flops sometimes


The same thing happened with me at least twice! Who knows, maybe some of those diagnosed people are NT, etc.... and the system merely changed their profiles!

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