Disdain for alcohol and drugs = sign of Austism
15 May 2015, 11:36 pm
cavernio wrote:
I do not understand the lack of curiosity, much in the way i don't understand people who are interested in...plants or any other number of things I don't find interesting. Doesn't mean that you don't have it or that it's totally overridden by other things.
Sure, alcohol alters someone, that is rather the point :-p
I wonder what you're defining as 'stupid' though? Is it only stupid because they wouldn't act that way when they're not drunk? Is it stupid because if you were to do that thing you would find it embarrassing, or you are embarrassed for them? Because that if that's the case, that is entirely you putting onto them an idea of what someone should or should not be doing.
Also, you've probably heard this before, but being drunk unless you're really badly drunk such that it affects your memory, doesn't really make you unaware of your actions. Like, the person can act in a silly way, and you can not like that. Cool. But for you to say that the alcohol has made them act stupidly, you are really just judging what is stupid or not.
I'm just reminded of a time I was hanging out with some people and we saw a couple of drunk girls lying in the grass laughing, waiting for the bus, and the one of them said 'And THAT'S why I will never drink'. (I suppose the assumption is that the people I was with didn't really drink because they were people from a christian group at school that met up and no one ever drank at any of the meet ups). It didn't make any SENSE to me except she was like 'Look at how STUPID they're being and they don't know it.' But they do know it. The only reason something like lying in the grass and laughing is stupid is because someone else has determined that lying in the grass and laughing is not proper etiquette, and that they should be embarrassed. Well, you can be embarrassed and hate them all you like for acting like goofballs, but chances are they don't give 2 s**ts what you think about them, and in such an innocent case, they're right. You're an ass for thinking poorly of someone who's not acting properly when their actions aren't harmful to you in any way.
But please don't get me wrong, a lot drunk people make stupid choices that are harmful to themselves or others, but I have always said that it's not actually something new, and it's not because they're totally out of control or aren't self-aware, they're just acting out on things that are already in their heads to do. They act impulsively. And contrary to what you think you know about alcohol, self-awareness has nothing to do with acting impulsively. And not all impulses are going to be bad, although a lot of them end up being things that often people would not otherwise do due to embarrassment. But embarrassment is their own concern, not yours.
If I used your definition of 'real' for emotions as 'lasting a long time' as you just did there, my entire psyche would not be real. So no, it is not an illusion. It's not going to fix your social or worldly problems, and drinking might exacerbate them, but that's not the same thing at all.
Misery wrote:
My explanation for alcohol in particular is simple: I've *watched* it happen. Over and over. And over and over and over and over. And every time, EVERY time, without exception, the person I was watching thought they were acting "perfectly normal". And every time, EVERY time, without exception.... they werent.
And this wasnt just ONE person, nooooooo. It's *all* of them. I've never met, not once, someone that could drink and NOT appear altered. But that's the thing with alcohol: The user often isnt aware of it BECAUSE IT LIMITS THEIR AWARENESS. THAT is one of the reasons why my "curiosity" isnt there. I mean, what in the bloody hell would I want to take that stuff for, when it could make me do something stupid without even realizing it?
And this wasnt just ONE person, nooooooo. It's *all* of them. I've never met, not once, someone that could drink and NOT appear altered. But that's the thing with alcohol: The user often isnt aware of it BECAUSE IT LIMITS THEIR AWARENESS. THAT is one of the reasons why my "curiosity" isnt there. I mean, what in the bloody hell would I want to take that stuff for, when it could make me do something stupid without even realizing it?
Sure, alcohol alters someone, that is rather the point :-p
I wonder what you're defining as 'stupid' though? Is it only stupid because they wouldn't act that way when they're not drunk? Is it stupid because if you were to do that thing you would find it embarrassing, or you are embarrassed for them? Because that if that's the case, that is entirely you putting onto them an idea of what someone should or should not be doing.
Also, you've probably heard this before, but being drunk unless you're really badly drunk such that it affects your memory, doesn't really make you unaware of your actions. Like, the person can act in a silly way, and you can not like that. Cool. But for you to say that the alcohol has made them act stupidly, you are really just judging what is stupid or not.
I'm just reminded of a time I was hanging out with some people and we saw a couple of drunk girls lying in the grass laughing, waiting for the bus, and the one of them said 'And THAT'S why I will never drink'. (I suppose the assumption is that the people I was with didn't really drink because they were people from a christian group at school that met up and no one ever drank at any of the meet ups). It didn't make any SENSE to me except she was like 'Look at how STUPID they're being and they don't know it.' But they do know it. The only reason something like lying in the grass and laughing is stupid is because someone else has determined that lying in the grass and laughing is not proper etiquette, and that they should be embarrassed. Well, you can be embarrassed and hate them all you like for acting like goofballs, but chances are they don't give 2 s**ts what you think about them, and in such an innocent case, they're right. You're an ass for thinking poorly of someone who's not acting properly when their actions aren't harmful to you in any way.
But please don't get me wrong, a lot drunk people make stupid choices that are harmful to themselves or others, but I have always said that it's not actually something new, and it's not because they're totally out of control or aren't self-aware, they're just acting out on things that are already in their heads to do. They act impulsively. And contrary to what you think you know about alcohol, self-awareness has nothing to do with acting impulsively. And not all impulses are going to be bad, although a lot of them end up being things that often people would not otherwise do due to embarrassment. But embarrassment is their own concern, not yours.
Misery wrote:
And one way or another? The feelings it produces really ARE false. Like I said: They go away when the stuff wears off... they were never real to begin with. An illusion. It's one of the reasons why I have no respect (whatsoever) for those that rely on it to produce that.
If I used your definition of 'real' for emotions as 'lasting a long time' as you just did there, my entire psyche would not be real. So no, it is not an illusion. It's not going to fix your social or worldly problems, and drinking might exacerbate them, but that's not the same thing at all.
I think most sober people, including myself, find their behavior flat out annoying. It doesn't help that the media acts like drinking is responsible for so many fun times and that it can't be achieved without it. Also, I think the stuff smells vile, even nauseating.
16 May 2015, 12:26 am
cavernio wrote:
I do not understand the lack of curiosity, much in the way i don't understand people who are interested in...plants or any other number of things I don't find interesting. Doesn't mean that you don't have it or that it's totally overridden by other things.
Sure, alcohol alters someone, that is rather the point :-p
I wonder what you're defining as 'stupid' though? Is it only stupid because they wouldn't act that way when they're not drunk? Is it stupid because if you were to do that thing you would find it embarrassing, or you are embarrassed for them? Because that if that's the case, that is entirely you putting onto them an idea of what someone should or should not be doing.
Also, you've probably heard this before, but being drunk unless you're really badly drunk such that it affects your memory, doesn't really make you unaware of your actions. Like, the person can act in a silly way, and you can not like that. Cool. But for you to say that the alcohol has made them act stupidly, you are really just judging what is stupid or not.
I'm just reminded of a time I was hanging out with some people and we saw a couple of drunk girls lying in the grass laughing, waiting for the bus, and the one of them said 'And THAT'S why I will never drink'. (I suppose the assumption is that the people I was with didn't really drink because they were people from a christian group at school that met up and no one ever drank at any of the meet ups). It didn't make any SENSE to me except she was like 'Look at how STUPID they're being and they don't know it.' But they do know it. The only reason something like lying in the grass and laughing is stupid is because someone else has determined that lying in the grass and laughing is not proper etiquette, and that they should be embarrassed. Well, you can be embarrassed and hate them all you like for acting like goofballs, but chances are they don't give 2 s**ts what you think about them, and in such an innocent case, they're right. You're an ass for thinking poorly of someone who's not acting properly when their actions aren't harmful to you in any way.
But please don't get me wrong, a lot drunk people make stupid choices that are harmful to themselves or others, but I have always said that it's not actually something new, and it's not because they're totally out of control or aren't self-aware, they're just acting out on things that are already in their heads to do. They act impulsively. And contrary to what you think you know about alcohol, self-awareness has nothing to do with acting impulsively. And not all impulses are going to be bad, although a lot of them end up being things that often people would not otherwise do due to embarrassment. But embarrassment is their own concern, not yours.
If I used your definition of 'real' for emotions as 'lasting a long time' as you just did there, my entire psyche would not be real. So no, it is not an illusion. It's not going to fix your social or worldly problems, and drinking might exacerbate them, but that's not the same thing at all.
Misery wrote:
My explanation for alcohol in particular is simple: I've *watched* it happen. Over and over. And over and over and over and over. And every time, EVERY time, without exception, the person I was watching thought they were acting "perfectly normal". And every time, EVERY time, without exception.... they werent.
And this wasnt just ONE person, nooooooo. It's *all* of them. I've never met, not once, someone that could drink and NOT appear altered. But that's the thing with alcohol: The user often isnt aware of it BECAUSE IT LIMITS THEIR AWARENESS. THAT is one of the reasons why my "curiosity" isnt there. I mean, what in the bloody hell would I want to take that stuff for, when it could make me do something stupid without even realizing it?
And this wasnt just ONE person, nooooooo. It's *all* of them. I've never met, not once, someone that could drink and NOT appear altered. But that's the thing with alcohol: The user often isnt aware of it BECAUSE IT LIMITS THEIR AWARENESS. THAT is one of the reasons why my "curiosity" isnt there. I mean, what in the bloody hell would I want to take that stuff for, when it could make me do something stupid without even realizing it?
Sure, alcohol alters someone, that is rather the point :-p
I wonder what you're defining as 'stupid' though? Is it only stupid because they wouldn't act that way when they're not drunk? Is it stupid because if you were to do that thing you would find it embarrassing, or you are embarrassed for them? Because that if that's the case, that is entirely you putting onto them an idea of what someone should or should not be doing.
Also, you've probably heard this before, but being drunk unless you're really badly drunk such that it affects your memory, doesn't really make you unaware of your actions. Like, the person can act in a silly way, and you can not like that. Cool. But for you to say that the alcohol has made them act stupidly, you are really just judging what is stupid or not.
I'm just reminded of a time I was hanging out with some people and we saw a couple of drunk girls lying in the grass laughing, waiting for the bus, and the one of them said 'And THAT'S why I will never drink'. (I suppose the assumption is that the people I was with didn't really drink because they were people from a christian group at school that met up and no one ever drank at any of the meet ups). It didn't make any SENSE to me except she was like 'Look at how STUPID they're being and they don't know it.' But they do know it. The only reason something like lying in the grass and laughing is stupid is because someone else has determined that lying in the grass and laughing is not proper etiquette, and that they should be embarrassed. Well, you can be embarrassed and hate them all you like for acting like goofballs, but chances are they don't give 2 s**ts what you think about them, and in such an innocent case, they're right. You're an ass for thinking poorly of someone who's not acting properly when their actions aren't harmful to you in any way.
But please don't get me wrong, a lot drunk people make stupid choices that are harmful to themselves or others, but I have always said that it's not actually something new, and it's not because they're totally out of control or aren't self-aware, they're just acting out on things that are already in their heads to do. They act impulsively. And contrary to what you think you know about alcohol, self-awareness has nothing to do with acting impulsively. And not all impulses are going to be bad, although a lot of them end up being things that often people would not otherwise do due to embarrassment. But embarrassment is their own concern, not yours.
Misery wrote:
And one way or another? The feelings it produces really ARE false. Like I said: They go away when the stuff wears off... they were never real to begin with. An illusion. It's one of the reasons why I have no respect (whatsoever) for those that rely on it to produce that.
If I used your definition of 'real' for emotions as 'lasting a long time' as you just did there, my entire psyche would not be real. So no, it is not an illusion. It's not going to fix your social or worldly problems, and drinking might exacerbate them, but that's not the same thing at all.
Oh, what I meant by "false feelings" has nothing whatsoever to do with the amount of time they last. Quite frankly, if you cant grasp my actual meaning currently by what I've already said, you probably never will, or at least not anytime soon (not by way of my own explanations, anyway). I'm not sure how to explain it further without getting incoherent (which is what happens when I run out of what I consider "proper" ways to explain something).
As for me being an ass for thinking as I do of them.... frankly, you're making a lot of assumptions. Mostly derpy ones. Consider: Just because someone drunk is laying there in the grass laughing like a loon DOESNT MEAN THEY DIDNT ALREADY DO SOMETHING GENUINELY STUPID OR BAD BEFORE THAT. *That* is something I've seen often, and one of the core reasons why I loathe it so much and do not tolerate it. Someone that's drunk can be funny and harmless, sure.... right up until the point where, suddenly, they arent. And I dont mean the "mean drunk" type. They dont have to be mean. But the sheer idiocy it brings about can be *dangerous*. Not only to themselves, but to everyone around them. And no, I dont just mean drunk driving; that'd be another dumb assumption. I remember one time at a convention, where a friend of mine DID get drunk (and this was before I devised the "do it and I throw you out" rule for convention hotels), and was pretty funny and is always a nice guy, so he's harmless... right up until the point where he started breaking things. Oh, it wasnt that he got angry or anything. But the many effects of alcohol made him all sorts of clumsy, and very abruptly, he managed to break some stuff (that wasnt his), and spill a whole bunch of liquid on the floor. THAT is the sort of thing I mean. THAT is where the stupidity is. If you believe for a second that that sort of thing isnt common, and then proceed to call someone else out on your own misconception.... well, someone's an ass, but it's not me.
I've seen that sort of thing REALLY frequently. And note: it doesnt have to be a PHYSICAL effect to be BAD. I remember another time, when relatives held a party/celebration for.... something. Heck if I remember. But it involved quite alot of people there... including people from their workplaces. One of the ones throwing the party in particular got a bit drunk, and... she doesnt handle it well. Gets REALLY goofy and loopy. Oh, she didnt break anything or anything like that... but she DID manage to make an absolute idiot of herself in front of these associates from the workplace (who WERENT drunk), and.... just guess how well that DIDNT end up. All because of that "harmless" behavior, there WAS trouble. Which could have been EASILY and ENTIRELY avoided. And yeah, she reverted to completely harmless later.... AFTER the party was over. A state that was the same sort of harmless as the "laughing in the grass" bit. But the damage was already done. As for exactly what happened as a result, that is not for me to explain here.
There are just a couple of the many examples I've seen, as I rarely just see PART of the event/effect, but often get to witness the entire string of actions caused by it. And even someone that's USUALLY okay with alcohol can suddenly have a bad day, where it just doesnt go so well.... and you get situations like those up above.
Things like THAT are why I have an absolute zero-tolerance rule and the idea of retaliation if someone is dumb enough to do it around me. I prefer to prevent potential problems and damage BEFORE it happens; and if it's going to happen, it's NOT going to happen to or around me. In addition, while I'll definitely help a friend that's in trouble, I want time with them to NOT be prone to that sort of thing, so I'm not always jumping in to fix things.
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Cavernio, I'd be careful about getting too abrasive. Misery said he/she will "make your life miserable for awhile" and you won't be able to do anything to stop it. I don't want to find out how, and neither do you. You might find threatening text messages on your cell phone from a blocked number, or something like that. So cool it, for your own safety.
If you're implying that I might be the dangerous sort, no, I'm not. I'm the sort that wouldnt harm a fly (literally; I have to catch it and take it outside). Despite my typical negativity, I have nothing against anyone on this forum, or... anywhere, really. Highschool is long since over, and I dont exactly make enemies easily. Oh, there's been a couple over the years, but that's rare.
Besides, my phrase there doesnt include anything physical, illegal, or anything like that. Not the sort of thing that I'd ever do. But back in highschool, I did learn that when dealing with problematic individuals, talking or even yelling usually didnt do the trick, it just wasnt enough. So I learned to take things a bit further and in a different direction, without actually doing anything bad. No need to go into details, but the effectiveness of this sort of method meant that by senior year, they werent bloody stupid enough to pester me again. The faculty knew about every bit of this too, mind you. No problems.
Though I will say that yes, it's best to just leave me be rather than anger me. All it'll do is cause a topic to devolve into a horrible arguement, and... I'd rather that not happen. I've not had any angry explosions on this forum, and it's been years since I"ve had one on any forum. I'd like to keep that up. And besides, as I"d said, I have nothing against anyone on this forum. Yeah, I can get a bit unpleasant at times, but that's just the way I am. I apologize for when that one happens.
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I think most sober people, including myself, find their behavior flat out annoying. It doesn't help that the media acts like drinking is responsible for so many fun times and that it can't be achieved without it.
DEFINITELY.
It's not really a core reason for my viewpoint on the whole thing... as I'm used to many things being annoying, and will typically simply leave and go elsewhere... but yeah, I definitely find it very obnoxious. Every time, it's like "Ugh. That, AGAIN? I wish they'd go away."
16 May 2015, 12:56 am
One thing I tend to notice about taking tolerance breaks from marijuana is that it never precludes me from living as though I'm baked to the moon & back. Your biochemistry doesn't dictate your ways of life, that's what the human mind is for.
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