27 Apr 2007, 8:13 pm
0_equals_true wrote:
LadyCass wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
eDad wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Laser wrote:
I'm an atheist and proud of it.
I'm a Christian, and humble of it.
I cherished diversities. I think it's great that we have people from many different religious and cultural backgrounds.
I was responding to how he addressed himself. Holier than though. Well that is what it seemed like anyway.
I don't think so. I took it to mean that he wasn't going to shove his beliefs in someone else's face and/or show it off constantly.
Then why does he need to answer back to that guy? He wasn’t shoving his beliefs down people throats or showing off. I think people have every right to debate this as there is hardly a state that isn't some how connected to religion in some way. You can talk about showing view down people's throats. But when religious ideas are enshrined in laws and clergy get a special tax status and are given the same status as doctors when signing references allowed to sit on committees they are not qualified for and use their position to influence issue beyond what an ordinary citizen would ever have. I think people have every right to protest about that.
I was just saying that I've found pride very dangerous to myself, so I stay away from it as best I can. I certainly don't always succeed. But biblically, a proud Christian would be an oxymoron indeed, since we get our only justification from the righteousness of another man. What, then, do we have to be proud about?
27 Apr 2007, 8:26 pm
Ragtime wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
LadyCass wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
eDad wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Laser wrote:
I'm an atheist and proud of it.
I'm a Christian, and humble of it.
I cherished diversities. I think it's great that we have people from many different religious and cultural backgrounds.
I was responding to how he addressed himself. Holier than though. Well that is what it seemed like anyway.
I don't think so. I took it to mean that he wasn't going to shove his beliefs in someone else's face and/or show it off constantly.
Then why does he need to answer back to that guy? He wasn’t shoving his beliefs down people throats or showing off. I think people have every right to debate this as there is hardly a state that isn't some how connected to religion in some way. You can talk about showing view down people's throats. But when religious ideas are enshrined in laws and clergy get a special tax status and are given the same status as doctors when signing references allowed to sit on committees they are not qualified for and use their position to influence issue beyond what an ordinary citizen would ever have. I think people have every right to protest about that.
I was just saying that I've found pride very dangerous to myself, so I stay away from it as best I can. I certainly don't always succeed. But biblically, a proud Christian would be an oxymoron indeed, since we get our only justification from the righteousness of another man. What, then, do we have to be proud about?
Aright. I didn't really get that impression but I believe you now. I'm guessing that's a rhetorical question, just checking?
27 Apr 2007, 8:30 pm
0_equals_true wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
LadyCass wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
eDad wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Laser wrote:
I'm an atheist and proud of it.
I'm a Christian, and humble of it.
I cherished diversities. I think it's great that we have people from many different religious and cultural backgrounds.
I was responding to how he addressed himself. Holier than though. Well that is what it seemed like anyway.
I don't think so. I took it to mean that he wasn't going to shove his beliefs in someone else's face and/or show it off constantly.
Then why does he need to answer back to that guy? He wasn’t shoving his beliefs down people throats or showing off. I think people have every right to debate this as there is hardly a state that isn't some how connected to religion in some way. You can talk about showing view down people's throats. But when religious ideas are enshrined in laws and clergy get a special tax status and are given the same status as doctors when signing references allowed to sit on committees they are not qualified for and use their position to influence issue beyond what an ordinary citizen would ever have. I think people have every right to protest about that.
I was just saying that I've found pride very dangerous to myself, so I stay away from it as best I can. I certainly don't always succeed. But biblically, a proud Christian would be an oxymoron indeed, since we get our only justification from the righteousness of another man. What, then, do we have to be proud about?
Aright. I didn't really get that impression but I believe you now. I'm guessing that's a rhetorical question, just checking.
I'm just doing this because endlessly recursive posts amuse me.
27 Apr 2007, 8:31 pm
DeaconBlues wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
LadyCass wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
eDad wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Laser wrote:
I'm an atheist and proud of it.
I'm a Christian, and humble of it.
I cherished diversities. I think it's great that we have people from many different religious and cultural backgrounds.
I was responding to how he addressed himself. Holier than though. Well that is what it seemed like anyway.
I don't think so. I took it to mean that he wasn't going to shove his beliefs in someone else's face and/or show it off constantly.
Then why does he need to answer back to that guy? He wasn’t shoving his beliefs down people throats or showing off. I think people have every right to debate this as there is hardly a state that isn't some how connected to religion in some way. You can talk about showing view down people's throats. But when religious ideas are enshrined in laws and clergy get a special tax status and are given the same status as doctors when signing references allowed to sit on committees they are not qualified for and use their position to influence issue beyond what an ordinary citizen would ever have. I think people have every right to protest about that.
I was just saying that I've found pride very dangerous to myself, so I stay away from it as best I can. I certainly don't always succeed. But biblically, a proud Christian would be an oxymoron indeed, since we get our only justification from the righteousness of another man. What, then, do we have to be proud about?
Aright. I didn't really get that impression but I believe you now. I'm guessing that's a rhetorical question, just checking.
I'm just doing this because endlessly recursive posts amuse me.
ok
27 Apr 2007, 9:07 pm
Ragtime wrote:
I was just saying that I've found pride very dangerous to myself, so I stay away from it as best I can. I certainly don't always succeed. But biblically, a proud Christian would be an oxymoron indeed, since we get our only justification from the righteousness of another man. What, then, do we have to be proud about?
I'm suddenly reminded of Weird Al Yankovic's song Amish Paradise. In it there is the line "Think you're really righteous? Think you're pure in heart? Well I know I'm a MILLION times as humble as thou art!"
Not saying that applies to you, Ragtime, I just thought it was amusingly relevant to the discussion of a proud Christian
27 Apr 2007, 9:18 pm
MrSinister wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
I was just saying that I've found pride very dangerous to myself, so I stay away from it as best I can. I certainly don't always succeed. But biblically, a proud Christian would be an oxymoron indeed, since we get our only justification from the righteousness of another man. What, then, do we have to be proud about?
I'm suddenly reminded of Weird Al Yankovic's song Amish Paradise. In it there is the line "Think you're really righteous? Think you're pure in heart? Well I know I'm a MILLION times as humble as thou art!"
Not saying that applies to you, Ragtime, I just thought it was amusingly relevant to the discussion of a proud Christian
That was a funny song!
But for the record, I do attest that the Amish character in that song was totally clueless about the kind of attitude we're supposed to have. I mean, being GLAD that someone's going to Hell??? WTF!
27 Apr 2007, 9:26 pm
Ragtime wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
LadyCass wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
eDad wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Laser wrote:
I'm an atheist and proud of it.
I'm a Christian, and humble of it.
I cherished diversities. I think it's great that we have people from many different religious and cultural backgrounds.
I was responding to how he addressed himself. Holier than though. Well that is what it seemed like anyway.
I don't think so. I took it to mean that he wasn't going to shove his beliefs in someone else's face and/or show it off constantly.
Then why does he need to answer back to that guy? He wasn’t shoving his beliefs down people throats or showing off. I think people have every right to debate this as there is hardly a state that isn't some how connected to religion in some way. You can talk about showing view down people's throats. But when religious ideas are enshrined in laws and clergy get a special tax status and are given the same status as doctors when signing references allowed to sit on committees they are not qualified for and use their position to influence issue beyond what an ordinary citizen would ever have. I think people have every right to protest about that.
I was just saying that I've found pride very dangerous to myself, so I stay away from it as best I can. I certainly don't always succeed. But biblically, a proud Christian would be an oxymoron indeed, since we get our only justification from the righteousness of another man. What, then, do we have to be proud about?
I kinda got the impression that you needed to point out that you're better than me (and any atheist) who had the indescency of being proud. You were basically saying that not only are you better than me because you're a christian, you're not even proud of it, though you should have a bigger right to be proud of that than me being proud of my being an atheist. That did not strike me as very humble of you. The attitude of thinking that christians aren't proud and it's in your blood to be humble just seems to me like one big joke. Maybe you just meant it as a statement, that it's fine for me to be proud and that you yourself think you should be humble, but it just seemed like you thought that since you as a high and mighty christian have the amazing clarity and generosity to be humble, how can anyone not even being christian be anything but crawling in the dirt admitting they're scum compared to gods chosen people.
I'm not very humble of being an atheist, because i feel i have every right to be proud and if you feel you as a christian should be humble… well… can't really argue with you there.
27 Apr 2007, 10:15 pm
Laser wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
LadyCass wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
eDad wrote:
0_equals_true wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Laser wrote:
I'm an atheist and proud of it.
I'm a Christian, and humble of it.
I cherished diversities. I think it's great that we have people from many different religious and cultural backgrounds.
I was responding to how he addressed himself. Holier than though. Well that is what it seemed like anyway.
I don't think so. I took it to mean that he wasn't going to shove his beliefs in someone else's face and/or show it off constantly.
Then why does he need to answer back to that guy? He wasn’t shoving his beliefs down people throats or showing off. I think people have every right to debate this as there is hardly a state that isn't some how connected to religion in some way. You can talk about showing view down people's throats. But when religious ideas are enshrined in laws and clergy get a special tax status and are given the same status as doctors when signing references allowed to sit on committees they are not qualified for and use their position to influence issue beyond what an ordinary citizen would ever have. I think people have every right to protest about that.
I was just saying that I've found pride very dangerous to myself, so I stay away from it as best I can. I certainly don't always succeed. But biblically, a proud Christian would be an oxymoron indeed, since we get our only justification from the righteousness of another man. What, then, do we have to be proud about?
I kinda got the impression that you needed to point out that you're better than me (and any atheist) who had the indescency of being proud. You were basically saying that not only are you better than me because you're a christian, you're not even proud of it, though you should have a bigger right to be proud of that than me being proud of my being an atheist. That did not strike me as very humble of you. The attitude of thinking that christians aren't proud and it's in your blood to be humble just seems to me like one big joke. Maybe you just meant it as a statement, that it's fine for me to be proud and that you yourself think you should be humble, but it just seemed like you thought that since you as a high and mighty christian have the amazing clarity and generosity to be humble, how can anyone not even being christian be anything but crawling in the dirt admitting they're scum compared to gods chosen people.
I'm not very humble of being an atheist, because i feel i have every right to be proud and if you feel you as a christian should be humble… well… can't really argue with you there.
(I really apologize for repeating this entire post. I'm on a Blackberry -- gimme a break!)
Yeah, I knew that my initial post was dangerously close to giving a false prideful impression, but I figured you'd only post your claim of pride and atheism here in order for it to be read, and perhaps discussed. It was a "here's me" statement, so I contributed a "here's me" statement too. I really wasn't trying to be arrogant, but I admit I deliberately placed my statement with yours to foster discussion. We're on opposite sides of an issue, but hey, that's what makes discussion interesting.
27 Apr 2007, 10:20 pm
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30 Apr 2007, 8:45 am
In a polite manner of answering this, I'll simply state that when I was young I'd been baptized a Catholic but, by no means does the principles nor doctrines hold with my being any longer for, I feel organized religion has been responsible for some attrocities in history. 
That explains my viewpoint so, as far as religious nature. Yes, I think there is something but, hard to exactly say what-Agnostic...
ProfessorX
