The NT Has No Clothes

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So I have, in order, a:
-GED (from 1993- I was 15)
-Associates of Applied Science in Computer Science
-Bachelors of Science in Computer Science
-Bachelors of Arts in Sociology
and in a couple months:
-Masters of Science in Sociology

The only one that I was ever proud of was the GED.

Jesus, ASS-P. A person as smart and knowledgeable as you? Go try it out!

...BUT I WENT TO (graduated from) STANDARD HIGH SCHOOL ! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! ACCEPT what Greeley is doing , and spend many months ~ or years ~ trying to follow a modern-day HS curriculum(Sp??) , which I am DECADES out of date on ???
I'm not belittling anybody who got a GED for the standard reason of " I didn't get to do it at the proper time " , believe me . In fact , my getting an HS diploma was , sort of , half-assed , I didn't REALLY take a lot of the standard courses (at least full-through) , I was sent to a " special " non-graded school (Guess why .) for much of my HS years...

NTs are fine, plenty of them see problems in the world, and plenty try to do something to improve things. Autistics are not a special group able to see some special reality unknown to others.

Well, not that you would care, But According to my Research Since Autism is Aut Meaning Self Allism would be all which would be the Opposite. Therefore It would also mean that "the struggles ntism brings" Would be the opposite of Autism by their very nature..

But why don't you like it?

it's not that they don't notice; it's that they don't want to talk about it...

Also, NT is a very confusing term on this forum I don't have autism, but I'm definitely not NT...

I agree.

I could not agree more!

Wait, what?? Why is discussing Dostoevsky in public a faux-pas? (This explanation may help me understand my inability to make new friends since I discovered and fell in love with Dostoevsky's work in college.)

EDIT: Nevermind, I read the further comments and see that it's because people feel "left out" if they don't themselves like/know Dostoevsky's work. What I still don't understand is why we are socially punished for speaking about things we love, when other people can do that with impunity as long as the things they love obsessively are more culturally acceptable (like consumerism/brands) and less intellectually intimidating. I don't think people who are intimidated by intelligence should be encouraged to dismiss and put down intelligence though--isn't that how anti-intellectualism creeps in to culture, and hasn't anti-intellectualism been proven by history to be dangerous? Just look what happened to Russia after the Stalinists purged their country of intellectuals, teachers, writers, journalists, and creatives: all that was left were mindless followers and criminals and now they are a country run by organised crime bosses and completely corrupt and mercenary politicians.

Oh, and speaking of anti-intellectual trends and their danger, need I mention the current climate in America and phenomena like the popularity of dangerous idiots like Donald Trump?

Sorry, it's just it really bothers me that because some people are insecure about their own level of intelligence that we are expected to devalue intelligence in our culture: it's suicidally stupid.

I'm not sure I fully understand your point here wilburforce.
I constantly devalue the intelligence of my culture (you may have noticed.) That's because I fundamentally do not trust it. But at the same time I am aware of it's strengths: constant evolution and willingness to change, a focus on learning, the protection of children. Of the cultures that exist in this world, Canada's is awesome!

My op was aimed at autistics and I am surprised at the neurotypical response. As this is an autism site I would have thought that polictical correctness regarding neurotypicals was absent. My bad.

I think in rereading my op that my point is that it is harder for me to accept the ugliness of the world because I do not benefit from the social gel that makes things bearable for nts.

Anyway, thank you for all the responses. I am still thinking about them as I struggle to figure out my place in the world.

Humans don't like to think: the brain is a large organ that sucks up lots of energy, most people are fine letting it go on auto-pilot as opposed to having to fuel and maintain it. Never forget-- of all the unique qualities that make humans special, laziness is the most powerful.

Also, here's what the Russians ~1930-50 would say: "Who cares if the intellectuals are purged. They'll be gone and we'll still be here. Not my problem." Add in that intelligence leads to innovation which leads to change, and it's easy to understand why the less intelligent are anti-intellectual-- they hate change and don't generally understand it. Then add in evolutionary pressures: if the world becomes "smart" and and I'm not "smart" that means I'll be culled from the group, which is my means of survival. So, they have a vested interest in keeping things dumbed-down-- remember, people don't give 2 s**ts about the functioning of the group, only their own interests, the group is merely a tool to exploit for those interests.

Yes, this observation points to an important difference. NTs can somehow draw on emotional support from the social world to compensate for the ugliness of the human-created world. From the outside this seems as incomprehensible as someone who survives without any food, apparently "compensating" just by drinking water.

It is impossible to unlearn awful truths about the human world, and it is impossible to continuously prevent these truths from entering consciousness. Emotional support from my family is useful to cope with social injustice, but it can in no way compensate for the aggregate physical human impact on the planet.

Reality is only a perception of the thinker. Our brains are wired different, that very fact means we're going to experience the world in a different way than NT's do. Our perceptions will be vastly different, thus, yes we will see realities that others do not. Plato's allegory of the cave in a nutshell.


That's not to say our perception is better or that NT perception is better, merely that they will be different because we're wired that way.

Many times, though, people who are neurdiverse are able to understand, in some fashion, the NT mind, and live accordingly. They are able to adapt to the wider situation at hand--though the "adaptation" might seem "weird" at first glance.

There's no arbitrary separation point between "NT" and "neurodiverse" thinking. A person with a primarily "NT" mind could think in a "neurodiverse" fashion at times; and vice versa.

People who think any thought from an "NT" cannot be neurodiverse, and vice versa, are not seeing the whole picture. They are engaging in "black and white" thinking.

The cave sounds nice. I might start looking for one ... there are lots in the limestone formations in Kingston. Adaptation has its merits but the Tantalean torture of spending time doing something that not only doesn't satisfy a need but also heightens one's awareness of one's difference is soul destroying. Again the cave sounds more alluring.