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22 Dec 2017, 2:21 pm

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Also, a week or two ago I read a 4 page website about a bunch of doctors' & researchers' most up to date theory of Autism and as I read it it all made sense and seemed to correlate VERY WELL with my experience. Long story short: We have a few overlayed nervous systems that evolved at different times. If the biggest one isn't working properly, the other ones try to compensate and end up being overactive or shorting out, resulting in various symptoms. The underlying REASON they've pinpointed is a virus of the Vagus Nerve - one of at least 3 different viruses, likely inherited at birth. Viruses thrive on sugars & other things I tend to avoid in my diet, so it may not be just that I starve certain "bad" gut bacteria with my diet, but that I'm starving a virus to the point that it's suppressed well enough and my nervous system can fire signals much more properly & consistently than if I eat things that fuel the virus and allow it to interrupt signals throughout my body. Nope, can't prove it without a team of specialists & lab equipment, bit it's the most exciting thing I've read about ASD in the last few years & it does make a LOT of sense.

Which part of this is from the article and which part is your own idea? What do you mean by 'viruses thrive on sugars' and 'I'm starving a virus'?
Viruses don't have their own metabolism. As they're only a bunch of DNA/RNA molecules and proteins inside your cells, they don't metabolize anything themselves but directly access your ATP. Unless sugar would have a huge impact on cellular ATP levels, how much sugar you eat doesn't influence how much energy your virus can access (unlike with gut bacteria that need to take nutrients up and metabolize them). Therefore you probably don't mean sugar is a good energy source for viruses (as may be the case for bacteria). You can not starve a virus without starving your own cells. I don't know if sugar can make ATP levels fluctuate, but generally these basic cellular functions are well regulated.
The only plausible thing I can think of would be that sugar has an impact on the immune system, if there's any truth to your hypothesis. There's of course also gene expression in the infected cells and other things, but immune system would be the most obvious cause.



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22 Dec 2017, 2:27 pm

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Very simple: Because we have more potential.

By and large, we are not physically or intellectually disabled.


Assuming this article is accurate well but compared to emotional, moral and body intelligence IQ is actually the least important factor of all.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/keldjensen ... 179130b6d2

Truth is, our disability impacts us in the three differing areas especially the emotional aspect of it. This idea that others have that one must be intelligent so one can succeed and if one doesn't then he's not trying hard enough, has a bad attitude or is lazy is ludicrous, insane and beyond reason.

Look at moral intelligence. For me, it is difficult to keep commitments due to executive functioning issues. I have tried tricks like the calendar and writing things down. I have problems with that because it still requires me to have executive functioning to write it down on the calendar cause sometimes I forget to or half my day is spent doing the calendar. Am I truthfully not keeping my commitments or is it that my executive functioning is impaired enough to where I need support in certain areas of my life? And, let's look at honesty? Am I supposed to really avoid all white lies? If a woman asks me if she looks fat in her dress and I say yes I'm being honest yet it is still a wrong answer because it would hurt her feelings therefore I wouldn't have enough emotional intelligence?

As for body intelligence. Goldfish is very intelligent on that one. I will commend him on that.

As for exercise, I have had difficulty with exercise and sports in general. I have horrible motor coordination problems so I have to be very careful of how and where I walk. I have to be extremely deliberate or otherwise I end up like Steve Urkel like Family Matters.

Am I being to negative here? Maybe! But happy rainbows, smiling unicorns and a positive attitude is not going to help with the difficulties I have stated here and other difficulties I have in my life. Neither can I solve them because if I'm the cause and variable then how can I use my same neurology to solve my issues. It's like having a person doing surgery on himself. How does that even make sense?


I've treated & mitigated ALL of the symptoms you describe above (and more) in myself with GREAT success over the last 4-5 years and have never once operated on myself. I've shared my experience on these forums for 4+ years. It's not by wishful thinking or surgical intervention. It's biochemistry - medicine. I use epsom salts on my skin to detox food acids, eat a restricted/medicinal diet, take a variety of vitamins/minerals/supplements & probiotics as well as do intestinal cleanses. It is all VERY possible to treat & manage, get under control, and then live a better life for it w/ minimal interference from ASD symptoms relative to before doing any of this.

This Winter I've added in vitamin D + UV light and this hormone definitely helps brain functions continue firing better like it's Summer vs. low light Winter.

Also, a week or two ago I read a 4 page website about a bunch of doctors' & researchers' most up to date theory of Autism and as I read it it all made sense and seemed to correlate VERY WELL with my experience. Long story short: We have a few overlayed nervous systems that evolved at different times. If the biggest one isn't working properly, the other ones try to compensate and end up being overactive or shorting out, resulting in various symptoms. The underlying REASON they've pinpointed is a virus of the Vagus Nerve - one of at least 3 different viruses, likely inherited at birth. Viruses thrive on sugars & other things I tend to avoid in my diet, so it may not be just that I starve certain "bad" gut bacteria with my diet, but that I'm starving a virus to the point that it's suppressed well enough and my nervous system can fire signals much more properly & consistently than if I eat things that fuel the virus and allow it to interrupt signals throughout my body. Nope, can't prove it without a team of specialists & lab equipment, bit it's the most exciting thing I've read about ASD in the last few years & it does make a LOT of sense.


Awesome! Now we have some concrete answers. Dude, I'm willing to try your biochemical approach. Do you have some postings or links you could possibly recommend to me including what you do with Epson salt?



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22 Dec 2017, 2:31 pm

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Also, a week or two ago I read a 4 page website about a bunch of doctors' & researchers' most up to date theory of Autism and as I read it it all made sense and seemed to correlate VERY WELL with my experience. Long story short: We have a few overlayed nervous systems that evolved at different times. If the biggest one isn't working properly, the other ones try to compensate and end up being overactive or shorting out, resulting in various symptoms. The underlying REASON they've pinpointed is a virus of the Vagus Nerve - one of at least 3 different viruses, likely inherited at birth. Viruses thrive on sugars & other things I tend to avoid in my diet, so it may not be just that I starve certain "bad" gut bacteria with my diet, but that I'm starving a virus to the point that it's suppressed well enough and my nervous system can fire signals much more properly & consistently than if I eat things that fuel the virus and allow it to interrupt signals throughout my body. Nope, can't prove it without a team of specialists & lab equipment, bit it's the most exciting thing I've read about ASD in the last few years & it does make a LOT of sense.

Which part of this is from the article and which part is your own idea? What do you mean by 'viruses thrive on sugars' and 'I'm starving a virus'?
Viruses don't have their own metabolism. As they're only a bunch of DNA/RNA molecules and proteins inside your cells, they don't metabolize anything themselves but directly access your ATP. Unless sugar would have a huge impact on cellular ATP levels, how much sugar you eat doesn't influence how much energy your virus can access (unlike with gut bacteria that need to take nutrients up and metabolize them). Therefore you probably don't mean sugar is a good energy source for viruses (as may be the case for bacteria). You can not starve a virus without starving your own cells. I don't know if sugar can make ATP levels fluctuate, but generally these basic cellular functions are well regulated.
The only plausible thing I can think of would be that sugar has an impact on the immune system, if there's any truth to your hypothesis. There's of course also gene expression in the infected cells and other things, but immune system would be the most obvious cause.


These are excellent questions. Thank you for asking them Northwind. I'm not into the sciences like you seem to be so I would not have known to ask these questions.



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22 Dec 2017, 2:31 pm

NorthWind wrote:
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Also, a week or two ago I read a 4 page website about a bunch of doctors' & researchers' most up to date theory of Autism and as I read it it all made sense and seemed to correlate VERY WELL with my experience. Long story short: We have a few overlayed nervous systems that evolved at different times. If the biggest one isn't working properly, the other ones try to compensate and end up being overactive or shorting out, resulting in various symptoms. The underlying REASON they've pinpointed is a virus of the Vagus Nerve - one of at least 3 different viruses, likely inherited at birth. Viruses thrive on sugars & other things I tend to avoid in my diet, so it may not be just that I starve certain "bad" gut bacteria with my diet, but that I'm starving a virus to the point that it's suppressed well enough and my nervous system can fire signals much more properly & consistently than if I eat things that fuel the virus and allow it to interrupt signals throughout my body. Nope, can't prove it without a team of specialists & lab equipment, bit it's the most exciting thing I've read about ASD in the last few years & it does make a LOT of sense.

Which part of this is from the article and which part is your own idea? What do you mean by 'viruses thrive on sugars' and 'I'm starving a virus'?
Viruses don't have their own metabolism. As they're only a bunch of DNA/RNA molecules and proteins inside your cells, they don't metabolize anything themselves but directly access your ATP. Unless sugar would have a huge impact on cellular ATP levels, how much sugar you eat doesn't influence how much energy your virus can access (unlike with gut bacteria that need to take nutrients up and metabolize them). Therefore you probably don't mean sugar is a good energy source for viruses (as may be the case for bacteria). You can not starve a virus without starving your own cells. I don't know if sugar can make ATP levels fluctuate, but generally these basic cellular functions are well regulated.
The only plausible thing I can think of would be that sugar has an impact on the immune system, if there's any truth to your hypothesis. There's of course also gene expression in the infected cells and other things, but immune system would be the most obvious cause.


Biologist here. Everything you say about viruses is correct. They do not thrive on sugar. They are obligate cellular parasites that exist simply to use the cells to replicate themselves. They have no enzymes that would allow them to use sugars for anything.



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22 Dec 2017, 4:44 pm



What if one has no passion? Then what?



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22 Dec 2017, 6:00 pm

I commented this on there as well.

And, it is no wonder people are having issues trying to break into their respective industries. Employers don't want to hire and train new people including interns because they invest their time and effort and their time and effort can be wasted. And, they're taking time out of their productive time to train these interns and new hires. So, why bother to even go into any of these industries whatsoever? Why bother to go to college or trade school at all? One would be better off working at Kroger, Walmart, etc and getting welfare, food stamps, SSI and SSDI. Because I may have a passion for it? I'm sorry, but passion doesn't pay the bills and doesn't put food on the table.



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22 Dec 2017, 6:08 pm

But one should consider, also, that people get advanced in age, and feel a desire to retire.

Who is going to replace those retirees? There are companies who would be delighted to hire new employees, because the pay is much lower than for people who have been working a long time.

At least in some fields, there is a long tradition of "apprenticeships." "Internships" are quite similar to "apprenticeships." Employers are smart enough to realize that an infusion of "young blood" keeps "progress" moving. If there are too many "experienced" people, there tends to be a cynical attitude. Progress becomes slow, and sometimes even reverses itself because of the cynicism.



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22 Dec 2017, 6:42 pm

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But one should consider, also, that people get advanced in age, and feel a desire to retire.

Who is going to replace those retirees? There are companies who would be delighted to hire new employees, because the pay is much lower than for people who have been working a long time.

At least in some fields, there is a long tradition of "apprenticeships." "Internships" are quite similar to "apprenticeships." Employers are smart enough to realize that an infusion of "young blood" keeps "progress" moving. If there are too many "experienced" people, there tends to be a cynical attitude. Progress becomes slow, and sometimes even reverses itself because of the cynicism.


I understand what you're saying but that's IF employers see things long term. I have horrible pressure in my sinuses so I'm going to rest for a while and if I don't respond this is why.



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But one should consider, also, that people get advanced in age, and feel a desire to retire.

Who is going to replace those retirees? There are companies who would be delighted to hire new employees, because the pay is much lower than for people who have been working a long time.

At least in some fields, there is a long tradition of "apprenticeships." "Internships" are quite similar to "apprenticeships." Employers are smart enough to realize that an infusion of "young blood" keeps "progress" moving. If there are too many "experienced" people, there tends to be a cynical attitude. Progress becomes slow, and sometimes even reverses itself because of the cynicism.


Thing is if a lot of employers have his thought process which I suspect they do looking for an internship is waste of time. If one wants to work in an industry then one already has to have experience and one has to start at the bottom. If the bottom is entry level jobs which still require experience and internships, apprenticeships and/or volunteer work one has little to no hope of getting b/c of this guy's logical point and other employers have a similar thought process then using critical thinking and making 2 + 2 = 4 why in the heck would I go to college and/or trade school at all? Why not just work at Kroger, Publix, Walmart, etc and/or get welfare and/or disability benefits?

I would do IT as a hobby though and have fun with it and write my fanfic.



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23 Dec 2017, 11:41 am

I would never work retail—if I can help it. I’d get fired pretty rapidly.

Being on SSI/SSDI provides one with limited options in many things, and you have to go through the ringer every couple of years or so. And...they’ll cut you off all of a sudden at times for the stupidest of reasons.



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I would never work retail—if I can help it. I’d get fired pretty rapidly.

Being on SSI/SSDI provides one with limited options in many things, and you have to go through the ringer every couple of years or so. And...they’ll cut you off all of a sudden at times for the stupidest of reasons.


I understand. I'm on SSDI now. They sent me this paper asking me different questions and to state what I made in the given year.

I answered the questions best I could. And, in addition I sent them 30 - 50 pages of blog entries of old blogs I had. Part of what I sent is this. I even demonstrated through logical proof that by saying that life was unfair that life was fair. I even went into quantum mechanics and parallel realities to answer some of their questions.

They continued my SSDI and have not bothered ever since. I don't know why though when others are bothered a lot.



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I'm an aspie who overcame long term anxiety without any forms of professional help or programs, or any sort of treatments or any kind of regimen whether formal or alternative. Go figure.

All I had was a long, long rest and a good deal of space. That's it. :twisted:
Enough time of contemplation alone and timing. A typical person would've judged my parents for being negligent, I'd say they gave me a choice -- and I happened to choose to aim independence.
After that, I start figuring out my senses -- what had gone wrong from sensory seeking to sensory avoidant? I figured how or why...

Then afterwards, it's executive functioning; of practical daily living. Social is secondary. The superficial stuff is at the bottom list.
I figured how to deal with my current culture and those around me. All I had to do, is figure the right times, and the right places... Why I figured that I don't need to mask.
I also figured that, the reality itself, while things are consistent in a sense, yet things aren't constant in a different sense. That's how I see the odds.

And so on, and so on... I've been improving for the last 6+ years from a sheltered teen who ever refused to leave the house and the internet, to, pacing in kilometers of chaos and several transitions without overly worrying nor had been on a verge of burnout of an exhaustion.
I'm not even a true optimist nor am someone who do things in sheer willpower. :lol: I just know what I want and work around the odds... It mattered not how long it'll take.


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23 Dec 2017, 12:55 pm

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Also, a week or two ago I read a 4 page website about a bunch of doctors' & researchers' most up to date theory of Autism and as I read it it all made sense and seemed to correlate VERY WELL with my experience. Long story short: We have a few overlayed nervous systems that evolved at different times. If the biggest one isn't working properly, the other ones try to compensate and end up being overactive or shorting out, resulting in various symptoms. The underlying REASON they've pinpointed is a virus of the Vagus Nerve - one of at least 3 different viruses, likely inherited at birth. Viruses thrive on sugars & other things I tend to avoid in my diet, so it may not be just that I starve certain "bad" gut bacteria with my diet, but that I'm starving a virus to the point that it's suppressed well enough and my nervous system can fire signals much more properly & consistently than if I eat things that fuel the virus and allow it to interrupt signals throughout my body. Nope, can't prove it without a team of specialists & lab equipment, bit it's the most exciting thing I've read about ASD in the last few years & it does make a LOT of sense.

Which part of this is from the article and which part is your own idea? What do you mean by 'viruses thrive on sugars' and 'I'm starving a virus'?
Viruses don't have their own metabolism. As they're only a bunch of DNA/RNA molecules and proteins inside your cells, they don't metabolize anything themselves but directly access your ATP. Unless sugar would have a huge impact on cellular ATP levels, how much sugar you eat doesn't influence how much energy your virus can access (unlike with gut bacteria that need to take nutrients up and metabolize them). Therefore you probably don't mean sugar is a good energy source for viruses (as may be the case for bacteria). You can not starve a virus without starving your own cells. I don't know if sugar can make ATP levels fluctuate, but generally these basic cellular functions are well regulated.
The only plausible thing I can think of would be that sugar has an impact on the immune system, if there's any truth to your hypothesis. There's of course also gene expression in the infected cells and other things, but immune system would be the most obvious cause.


Biologist here. Everything you say about viruses is correct. They do not thrive on sugar. They are obligate cellular parasites that exist simply to use the cells to replicate themselves. They have no enzymes that would allow them to use sugars for anything.


I know gut bacteria eat what we eat, I have no knowledge of what viruses consume.

Here's a quote from the site I read:

"Viruses tend to activate when exposed to excessive levels of sugar, carbohydrates. Herpes viruses activate when exposed to excessive levels of arginine found in peanuts, chocolate and some other nuts. Foods high in lysine, such as turkey, tend to inactive and keep herpes viruses dormant. Anti-herpes prescription drugs may also be of help, but research is showing that they have to be used on a long-term basis to be successful (such as six months). Foods and supplements that support neurological repair may also help, such as coconut oil and milk, sunflower lecithin, phosphatidyl serine and choline. For more information please refer to our Neurological supplement section."

Here's the 4 part blog, which could be full of errors ??, but it does make a lot of sense to me:

http://autismcoach.com/blog-info-articl ... important/


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In other words, I envision the worst case scenarios and come up with things to mitigate those scenarios. The problem I run into is I clash with those that are called strategic optimists which is what goldfish is I think is. I gave an answer as to how I would raise a disabled child.

IMHO, one should try to get a child to be as independent as one can but be prepared for the day that it may not be possible. He seems to think that anyone who would do that is an as*hole and the truth is a lot of people in our society would this this way.

I believe that if our society took a more defensive pessimistic approach instead of a can-do and optimistic approach I think paradoxically people would be more optimistic and there would be more can-do attitudes. But, maybe a number of people are not inclined to this approach I don't know.


Incorrect. We just differ in how we think it would be best to raise a disabled child to be as independent as can be. I believe there is no positive serving purpose to filling their head with statistics that limit their beliefs of their own capabilities, that doing so & being so negative and pessimistic is an as*hole move. No f*****g way I'd raise a disabled kid reminding them every day that they're disabled and statistically probable to not reach abc or xyz milestone in life. Instead, I'd encourage them to Try, and keep trying, and let them know that it's all right if they only achieve _____ because they tried their best & the result is okay. But I certainly would not fill their head with statistics about other peoples' lack of success so that they can use it as justification not to bother trying in the first place. That's the as*hole move - preaching mediocrity or even failure instead of nurturing a positive can-do attitude of never say never, I got this!


I want to retouch this.

First, let's look at the definition of mediocrity. https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/mediocrity

Now, take a look at this vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuvCPOX8C6Q&t=1s

Why? Why do I have to be great? What is wrong with average?



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I want to retouch this.

First, let's look at the definition of mediocrity. https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/mediocrity

Now, take a look at this vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuvCPOX8C6Q&t=1s

Why? Why do I have to be great? What is wrong with average?


It's not about being "great" as a relative comparison to Others & general statistics. It's about being great relative to one's own potential.

Just as in business, a goal or target should always be set at 100% of what's possible. If through some form of business (or personal) improvement, what is possible is now more than it used to be, the new goal is 100% of what is Now possible.

100% of what is possible for me to achieve is different than 100% of what is possible for you to achieve. Nonetheless, if we each give it our all & do what we can, maybe neither of us ever truly reaches our potential... but at least we strived towards doing so.

100% of what I am capable of achieving today is WAY more than 100% of what I was capable of doing 6 years ago. Night and day different. But in each instance of my life, I'm doing what I can. Well, ok, mostly. There are certainly times I don't always put 100% effort into my day, but you get my point I hope.

Same goes for a disabled child. I would not tell the kid he'd better by first in his graduating class and either be a doctor by the time he's 25 or an astronaut or whatever ultra high achievement title that's simply just Never Ever going to happen. But I WOULD encourage them to strive to reach 100% of their potential & there's no f*****g way I'd pull out a stack of statistics printed off the internet and lecture them about how people with their disability on average only ever achieve ____ because all that serves to do is put into their head that they're incapable of doing things & that's a TERRIBLE way to raise a child. IF I filled their head with anything of the sort it'd be of true stories of people like them who DID achieve some amazing goal of their own, so that they could grow up thinking they CAN do things they set out to do.


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It's not about being "great" as a relative comparison to Others & general statistics. It's about being great relative to one's own potential.


And, what exactly is one's potential? How is this determined exactly and by what objective criteria are we going by?

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Just as in business, a goal or target should always be set at 100% of what's possible. If through some form of business (or personal) improvement, what is possible is now more than it used to be, the new goal is 100% of what is Now possible.


And, how is it determined what is 100% possible? Again, what is the objective criteria do we go by?

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100% of what is possible for me to achieve is different than 100% of what is possible for you to achieve. Nonetheless, if we each give it our all & do what we can, maybe neither of us ever truly reaches our potential... but at least we strived towards doing so.


What if I believe that I gave 100% of all I could and others do not? Again, what is the objective criteria that determines what?

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100% of what I am capable of achieving today is WAY more than 100% of what I was capable of doing 6 years ago. Night and day different. But in each instance of my life, I'm doing what I can. Well, ok, mostly. There are certainly times I don't always put 100% effort into my day, but you get my point I hope.


How do you know all of this? Especially, how do you know whether you put 100% in a particular day or not?

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Same goes for a disabled child. I would not tell the kid he'd better by first in his graduating class and either be a doctor by the time he's 25 or an astronaut or whatever ultra high achievement title that's simply just Never Ever going to happen. But I WOULD encourage them to strive to reach 100% of their potential & there's no f*****g way I'd pull out a stack of statistics printed off the internet and lecture them about how people with their disability on average only ever achieve ____ because all that serves to do is put into their head that they're incapable of doing things & that's a TERRIBLE way to raise a child. IF I filled their head with anything of the sort it'd be of true stories of people like them who DID achieve some amazing goal of their own, so that they could grow up thinking they CAN do things they set out to do.


I disagree. I would rather be told the honest truth of what my chances are then told I do anything I set my mind to and told I can achieve something when my actual chances are very slim. I would rather have been taught to do a SWOT analysis to determine what my strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats are. One major threat that I had and I didn't realize and I wished I put 2 and 2 together was this. And, this applies to non-disabled as well. Everyone was and still is encouraged to go to college and get a job in their respective field and that they could do it if they worked hard enough. And guess what, it caused an over-abundance of college students that employers had to choose from. So, what happened was we had an over abundance of supply and lower demand. This is why college grads are having so many problems finding jobs today especially in their fields.

This is one reason positivity, believing in oneself, optimism, the secret, faith, etc is all a bunch of woo woo that goes against objective reality. One has to have a realistic attitude and use critical thinking to determine oneself in relation to the rest of the world. Sun Tzu said "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."

For one to be successful in life one has to know oneself and understand oneself, understand the society one is living in and one's relation to it.

This whole can do, optimism and positivity is a bunch of woo-woo nonsense that enables one to distort reality and to enable one to not think critically. We don't need positive thinking but critical thinking. Read the Book Bright-Sided.