Accepting Autism is Like a Traffic Jam

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13 Dec 2007, 4:32 pm

2ukenkerl: Absolutely. You really deliver some strong points. You've really contributed some great information, I'm grateful. :D


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13 Dec 2007, 4:37 pm

I said the toxicity is neutralized, not completely eliminated.

There's a major difference between the two.


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13 Dec 2007, 4:39 pm

Well, if it's still toxic, it's still harmful, isn't it? I mean, seriously. Either it's toxic or it's not.


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13 Dec 2007, 4:43 pm

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Well, if it's still toxic, it's still harmful, isn't it? I mean, seriously. Either it's toxic or it's not.

Yes, but it would take a much larger quantity to kill you.

It's just like table salt.


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13 Dec 2007, 4:44 pm

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Alex: I believe that pharmacies offer over-the-counter supplements for things like Iron, Potassium, and more.


Well, those supplements aren't 100% efficient, and are made to work slowly(even sublingual would be too slow). if needed materials are removed from a cell, it starts to die right there. Alex is just saying that whatever is used for chelation has to be good enough to be worth it, and specific enough to not overly deprive the cells of what they need.



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13 Dec 2007, 4:48 pm

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The neurotypical society is not perfect. But they are more normal and functional than us. Not to mention, more happy. Arguing that point is delusional.

I wouldn't call a society based on backstabbing and dishonesty a "functional" one. More like "dysfunctional"... As for happy, I am very happy with being an aspie (as are 78% of people here as per that poll you were mentioning earlier), while many NT's (especially in america) are some of the least happy people around, especially the ones who work 80 hours a week so that they can keep spending money on stuff they don't really need and winding up in thousands of dollars of debt.

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I understand that point of view. I used to think that way myself. It took me years to overcome the AS way of thinking.

I can understand your point of view as well. I was exposed to (and part of) the "cure" crowd early on (I even gave blood to a CAN study, something I regret now)... and it took me many years to accept that I was who I was, and that "curing" me would be, in effect, destroying me.



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13 Dec 2007, 4:49 pm

Uh... Sorry if you're offended by this, but salt isn't a liquid metal, nor is it injected into your bloodstream directly. I mean, yeah, lots of salt will kill you, but Mercury's not a food garnish.


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13 Dec 2007, 4:55 pm

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The world was designed by normal people for normal people. It is not going to be redesigned because mercury has caused brain damage in a small percentage of the population. The solution is to cure the brain damage and prevent it from happening again.


What brain damage? There isn't any brain damage. And there isn't such a thing as normal either. Society has changed heaps over the years and decades so it is impossible to set a definition for normal.

Anyone who tries is in desperate need of psychotherapy.

I'm glad I dropped back here.

Incidentally - there is mercury in fish. And that's just one example.



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13 Dec 2007, 4:58 pm

I am c.darwin from the Autism Speaks board. Some of you may know me. I am glad you have made your presence known there. I was just banned from AS for a week and wanted to come over to share my opinions. I am sorry that your beautiful message board has been invaded by the most reviled person known to he autistic comunity. Foresam is a hateful person still under the delusion that autistic and aspergian people are brain damaged by mercury. I suggest you ignore this person and go about your business. Your messag board is too good for people like him. I am going to the introduction board and introduce myself.



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13 Dec 2007, 5:02 pm

foresam, explain the following: The incidence of diagnosed autism has continued to soar in the US and other countries where thimerosal was phased out AFTER it was phased out. You can spin it any way you like, but that's the fact. Now, is it just me, or if thimerosal were causing autism, wouldn't incidence have dropped? Just a thought.
Oh, by all means, let's talk about conflicts of interest: do you think the trial lawyers, and doctors like Wakefield that work for them, do it out of the goodness of their hearts? Pharmaceutical companies are not the only entities in the world with crass financial interests.

As an aside, on 'normality' : modern society would probably lock up eccentrics like Diogenes, Socrates and Archimedes. The modern world is less tolerant of eccentricity than ancient Athens was.


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13 Dec 2007, 5:08 pm

Foresam, are you a lawyer by any chance?



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13 Dec 2007, 5:09 pm

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foresam has been banned, so any response to him would be futile.

I guess it's for the best, but I'm sorry I missed my chance to beat up on him! :lol:



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13 Dec 2007, 5:09 pm

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Foresam, are you a lawyer by any chance?


I can answer that. No he's not.



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13 Dec 2007, 5:14 pm

kk, just curious.



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13 Dec 2007, 5:16 pm

what the hell??? I was diagnosed when i was 10, 6 years ago, I I knew basically nothing about it. I accepted it, and I didn't understand it. How DARE you tell us we are wrong to accept ourselves for who we are, and what we have? we haven't been conned!

Erm...edit: sorry, The person below me posted at the same time. glad he's banned.



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13 Dec 2007, 5:16 pm

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foresam has been banned, so any response to him would be futile.


I am so happy to hear this. He did not belong here!