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I wasn't talking about you.

As I said, old habits die hard, and nearly every system allows capitals. italics are another story.

You called him an elitist and a snob. There's a difference between taking umbrage with something and when you pull out names.



There are many ways to use emphasis, some of which include underline, bold, and italics. In any case, it doesn't matter; you can type however you want. I was just stating the reasons that you tend to come across how you do, at least as I see it.





I don't have the heart to go through it all again; here's one from just this thread.



Some of those things are not AS specific, but it's no matter. I'm not accusing you of not having AS, and quite frankly, I don't care if you do or not. I've rarely seen you mention those things, but perhaps I've seen a specified number of your posts; I apologize if that's the case.



Like I said, I don't care if you have or don't have AS, a diagnose, ect.



While that might work for most times, Daniel has stated many times that he means exactly what he says, and this is hardly the first time you've seen any of his posts. There's nothing to understand beyond what he says, at least in cases like these.



I've never perceived anyone as an insider or an outsider; I don't understand those terms (I comprehend them, but that's not the same), so I don't use them. I don't feel that your sole purpose is to attack him (I don't know why anyone would have their sole purpose to attack anyone, but that's another thing), but it seems like every time someone starts arguing with him, you're there.

I don't understand why people get all emotional over these sorts of things. I'm not feeling emotion about this. Well, a bit of annoyance, but that's more because of all the emotion around here.

Jaded, I was undiagnosed for a long time. There were threads like this around before I was diagnosed, and the same thing was brought up. Even then I was able to see some valid points in there. Not all of them, but enough.

Maybe it's because I'm sick and cranky, but is that really a way to make a point? If anything, your tone and the sarcasm just made me relate a whole lot more with the opposite side. Being so defensive is never pretty.

If you feel that you don't need a dx, and that it would hinder you, that's wonderful; I don't care. If you're that high functioning, I don't really see the point of even considering what makes you different though, but once again, to each their own. Please realize that this is a support site though, so when you claim that undiagnosed aspies wouldn't go to a support group, you're saying that you're not here.

And GoddessofSin, that was really rather pointless. People aren't discussing who's life is worse.

If I'm flaming, I'm doing such unknowingly. As far as I'm aware, I'm communicating how I usually do, especially when tired: I'm blunt, and I say what I feel and think. I'm not attempting to insult anyone or ruin their self-esteem or do whatever the point of flaming is.

But not enough to capitalize properly.

It might be obvious to some, but it's not to all. Even when I realize it's meant to be emphasis, I read it as screaming. I'm not a visual thinker; I see and hear words, and if I see all caps, I hear screaming. It hurts a bit.

I just thought 2ukenkerl might want to know that -- if they want to keep typing in all caps despite knowing it then that's their business.

Not sure if this is directed at me but I'm answering anyway. I don't feel emotion about it either; don't care if you (GY) agree or disagree. Rats ass and all that.


Dude, you're 17. "Long time" is ahead of you. If you *are* diagnosed, the time you spent UNdiagnosed was relatively minor, compared to people in their forties and fifties who are just now getting recognition for their differences.



Pretty???? OK, glossing over that, I don't care if you agree or disagree. I don't care if there are eight kabillion people on the other side. I don't care if you relate to them. I'm mostly indifferent. But I tell it how I see it. And if someone is offended by that, maybe they should stop telling it how they see it. AS isn't pretty, and this isn't a garden party. But if it is, I'll have a bloody mary and a steak sandwich. and a steak sandwich.



More purist attitude. I have benefitted from the existence of this site as much as anyone else. Yes, I'm at the higher-functioning end, but I still grapple with AS on a daily basis. Just because I'm not bent over a ceramics project in the psych ward with drool cascading down my chin - oh, but i've got my diagnosis - doesn't mean I don't belong here and don't identify with the major AS red flags. I don't need to hire a "Why I'm An Aspie" singing telegram. I don't need a stamp of approval. This isn't a club.



Did you even read my post? it was in response to a member talking about his personal community support groups. Yes, this is a support SITE, and it doesn't require me to sit in a group like I'm in some kind of 12-step program. There's a big difference.

And I am most definitely here

Rainsong,

Sorry if I chose to use the most commonly available option for emphasis, and old habits die hard.

I know you don't care if I have AS or not, but it is, as jaded said, treated like a kind of membership card.

Yeah, I know those things could all be NON AS symptoms. HECK, one COULD fake them, and all anyone has is my, and my mothers, word. My mother doesn't even know some of it. The idea of going to the psychiatrist is probably in my school records, but I don't even know that for sure. Still, they are suspicious, and you have to believe something.

I spoke of the availability of a diagnosis only to say why I don't have one.

I am not the only one arguing with Daniel, and I doubt I always am. Still, as I said, I am not trying to persecute him.

As for why any high functioning person would even associate with others having a disability? There are reasons that are hard to comprehend, and some that are easy to comprehend.

1. You get a better idea of how others may perceive you, and why.
2. You can get acquainted with like minded/abled people.
3. You get encouragement.
4. You can give encouragement
5. You have an explanation.
6. In the case of people like jaded, you can assist your spouse in understanding, and be prepared for problems with the children and school.

You don't necessarily have to have any real problems or want any assistance!

It wasn't directed to anyone in particular. I don't know what GY means either, but that's not important.



Yeah, I am. I also realize that time is a subjective thing; what seems very fast to one person seems very slow to another. The age card means about nothing. Getting recognition is a funny thing; I had a heck of a time getting that, and since you don't know my circumstances, you can't judge that. And regardless, time does not affect my original point: even when I was undiagnosed, I saw the validity is some of the complaints that people are bringing up on this board.



Yeah, pretty; it's a describing word, and in modern English (which seems to be what we're speaking) it's been expanded to include many meanings. I don't particularly care if you agree or disagree with me either. I tell it how I see it too; thus, why I posted what I did. I'm not offended. AS isn't pretty, but that doesn't mean arguments have to be ugly.



Had you chose to actually read it thoroughly, you would have noticed that it wasn't a purist attitude. I stated this, and I'll put it in simpler terms for you: you said that you didn't have problems with it, and without problems, I fail to see why it matters. Now you're saying you grapple with it, which seems to indicate that you do have problems with it, in which case there is a reason for it.

I don't claim that you need a diagnose. I don't care if you want or don't want approval. I've never said anyone without a dx shouldn't come on this site. I said that even when undiagnosed, I saw some of the points of their concerns, and that hasn't changed any.



That seems to be a null question, seeing how I responded to it. Sites and groups aren't all that much different, at least in purpose.

There's nothing to be sorry for. I'm not asking you to change it; I just stated what I thought, and I see no reason why that should be considered as any more than just thoughts.



I know it is. Sometimes it's treated like one too much, and I agree with that. But as I've said, I see points in that. The internet is a tricky tool; it's difficult to actually observe others, and sometimes people who feels that they have AS are mistaken. It happens in all things. They probably don't mean it, but it still happens sometimes. It makes actual ASD related problems harder to distinguish.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with coming on here without knowing whether you're on the spectrum or not, and there's no problem with saying that you think you are, provided that you mention (at least on the profile) that you're not actually diagnosed. They shouldn't be excluded.

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This is what I was saying: if you have absolutely no problems, you shouldn't need any assistance at all, and therefore I don't see the point of having a dx or going to a support place. Really, if you have no problems, I don't see why people would think they have AS at all, because there are problems associated with it.

I'll try to put it in simpler terms, because I think it's going to be confused. If one says they have absolutely no problems with it, they don't face the challenges that come with it. In that case, if they have no problems, one would presumably think that they really are just different and not disabled (and I use that loosely; I know how many get offended by it) in any way. If you're so high functioning that you have no problems, then there shouldn't be the need to educate others or learn about yourself.

No one has to want assistance, regardless of whether or not they would benefit from it.

I am a very literal person. If someone says they don't have any problems with it, I take it at exactly that: they have zero problems or difficulties with it.

Well, I never said I didn't have ANY problems. Quite the contrary. I have HUNG UP on tech support lines when I needed help because they played music I COULD NOT STAND!(I ended up finding the answer MYSELF) I am considering blasting a fog horn in the lobby here because of their cavalier attitude with my pain due to an unnecessary fire alarm.(Most fog horns are less painful, and I would have ear plugs! It would simply be over the fire alarm noise, and they DO act like it is no big deal. It would be a TEST of sorts! ) I didn't do sports, etc... because of problems with catching, etc.... I understand things others don't, and vice versa! ALL of these have hurt me to some degree. I generally HIDE them as best I can. Do I NEED help with them now? NO! Do they REALLY hinder me now? NO! BTW I was turned down for a position because of social problems! MAYBE you see my point.

Oh ok, I have problems with understanding a joke or helpful comment from an insult. I should have said like 2x smarter than me. Would have made more sense, lol.

Neither do I. If people actually read what I said, rather than apply themselves emotionally to my words, one will see that I directed my words at those who refuse to listen to reason, and they become defensive when one points out that they might not have said disorder. They might have it, but one cannot be sure without professional input.

For some reason, people take offense to these words, and I have no idea why.

well my thoughts on this, is that alot of people who are on the spectrum also have personality disorders and mood disorders., as well as ptsd,

And alot of people here have had a harsh life, and some people may think of members here as a snob. But keep in mind that you can't judge people cause you don't know them and you have no idea what they have had to deal with, and how how are country has failed alot of us in the educational system and job industry.

Some may find me as a snob, but please everyone here is different and targeting or finger pointing to another member is wrong to do cause again you can't judge anyone until you been inside there life. I'v been though complete hell, my emotions are overdrawn to the point that alot of people may find my opinions offensive in one way or another , but i usually back it up with scientific evidence and i back it up how I feel when I post. Besides isn't this what this forum is for? releasing the emotions, hatred among those who screwed my life up. I see no problem with this if it's related to the topic. My inner demons and hatred will always be a point to my posts. but no one can change the way i post here. Even if this post was directed to me or another member, you can't restrict peoples thoughts and opinions.

*Gurg* *hic* That was juste uncalled-for. So let us fall for this:

I'm a self-professed Auticrat.
There's no question; and for those who might beg, or rob, an equality from the mobbery, I pray thee well, for prayers are in good season for such a miraculous overture that: a) should the prayer be answered, and; b) should the prayer be granted, and; c) should the whole wicked world collide unto itself a heap of fantastical severance from whence *poop* out pops a break of bread shared adequately fair 'round the table for all. No snobbery.

All in a day's work, is done, and coming your way galloping knightly - watch your foot, please - roiling a-hot on trail of the ever-late 'morrow.
It Shall be So ... and soon.

A: I believe e'er deft and jarring jolt would seize him, sleeping, listen'd upright bolt. Nuts! I've lost my right thread on which my left calf never tread. Flag him half down, already. Strike that Aspy amassed fast; and sight the coil's flight.
What utter! Nonsense if the adder tipped the scale to the toe. I weighed in the water, it's deep enough to get the denseness.

Well-stated.

"Cause again you can't."

Not here, no way. Not even ever again.
Not even.

Did you read what I said, where I mentioned I wasn't replying to you at all, and someone else confirmed that they didn't think I was?