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05 May 2011, 3:31 pm

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I can tell you what aspies don't do -- they don't come close to winning neurotypical popularity contests and they are, usually, not 'eagerly welcomed' amongst neurotypicals (Except for *some* of the most recent batch in the past decade whose over-diagnosing and corresponding high false positive rate has been diluting the original definition of an aspie.).

Right. You really should quit while you're ahead. Citation needed on the over-diagnosing especially. I have seen this stated repeatedly, but I have yet to see any actual corroboration.

Is now a bad time to mention I've had actual fans twice in my life? And that there are people who actually like me? Does that mean I can't be autistic? That everyone has to hate me everywhere? Does it matter why I have fans or how it has nothing to do with my social aptitude and everything to do with my ability to express myself in writing? Or that most of the people I know who I do count as friends are people I met online, mostly through my interests and writing?

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Nobody is bullying.

I agree with you, I actually stated myself very badly. I'm sorry about that. My full thought was "It's possible people are acting with malice, but I find it highly unlikely."

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05 May 2011, 3:34 pm

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swbluto wrote:

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This, right here, is exactly what I was referring to when i said an acceptable post doesn't exist.

All posts are acceptable. That doesn't mean they aren't open to commentary nor criticism, however. :wink:

*phzzz*

^^ That was the point going right over your head.

There was no point going over my head as I never claimed any posts were "unacceptable". You know what they say about assuming.

Yes... it makes one an ass. Does this mean you were indirectly calling me an ass?

What, they say that? Those people are naughty, naughty people. People around my neighborhood tell me it makes one an assumer.

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05 May 2011, 3:36 pm

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Yes... it makes one an ass. Does this mean you were indirectly calling me an ass?

What, they say that? Those people are naughty, naughty people. People around my neighborhood tell me it makes one an assumer.

I've never heard that one. lol

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05 May 2011, 3:52 pm

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Right. You really should quit while you're ahead. Citation needed on the over-diagnosing especially. I have seen this stated repeatedly, but I have yet to see any actual corroboration.

There was some girl on yahoo answers who claimed she fell in love with an aspie. As we all know, falling in love with a male teenage aspie is a statistical impossibility. Therefore, he was misdiagnosed.

Another guy on here was diagnosed as an aspie, but yet he's rolling around with his gang-bangers smoking pot, 'chilling with his buds and drinking beer' and doing drug deliveries. I, mean, seriously -- does this need an explanation?

Obviously, it's being over-diagnosed. See http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... nosed.html for more information.

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Is now a bad time to mention I've had actual fans twice in my life? And that there are people who actually like me? Does that mean I can't be autistic? That everyone has to hate me everywhere? Does it matter why I have fans or how it has nothing to do with my social aptitude and everything to do with my ability to express myself in writing? Or that most of the people I know who I do count as friends are people I met online, mostly through my interests and writing?

I'm talking about real life neurotypicals, and we're talking about.... more than 3 at the same time and all three existing within a mile of each other simultaneously at least at one time.... and not people online where regulation of facial expressions and interpreting the tonality of ones voice among other non-verbal cues is obviously a non-issue.

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05 May 2011, 3:59 pm

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As we all know, falling in love with a male teenage aspie male is a statistical impossibility.

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05 May 2011, 4:07 pm

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This is sarcasm, right?

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Another guy on here was diagnosed as an aspie, but yet he's rolling around with his gang-bangers smoking pot, 'chilling with his buds and drinking beer' and doing drug deliveries. I, mean, seriously -- does this need an explanation?

Yes, actually, it does. Or rather, it doesn't, because insinuation is a violation of the forum rules.

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Obviously, it's being over-diagnosed. See http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... nosed.html for more information.

I do not find this an obvious conclusion.

This is not a citation. Citations do not come from the associated press. The press tends to paraphrase and even change the context of particular commentary. Need more data.

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More than three which? Neurotypicals?

This sounds to me like saying that social impairment is an absolute, where one either has no friends at all or one is neurotypical. You also seem to be failing to take into account how some autistic people learn how to socialize, at least through an intellectual process rather than instinctual.

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05 May 2011, 4:09 pm

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Right. You really should quit while you're ahead. Citation needed on the over-diagnosing especially. I have seen this stated repeatedly, but I have yet to see any actual corroboration.

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This is crazy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OVtpnpCOKM

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05 May 2011, 4:16 pm

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There was some girl on yahoo answers who claimed she fell in love with an aspie. As we all know, falling in love with a male teenage aspie male is a statistical impossibility. Therefore, he was misdiagnosed.

Another guy on here was diagnosed as an aspie, but yet he's rolling around with his gang-bangers smoking pot, 'chilling with his buds and drinking beer' and doing drug deliveries. I, mean, seriously -- does this need an explanation?

Obviously, it's being over-diagnosed. See http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl ... nosed.html for more information.

Wow. Just... wow.

So male aspies can't POSSIBLY have a girl fall in love with them? Aspies can't possibly do drugs and make bad life choices? I'm assuming you were inferring that 'chillin' with his buds' is also an Aspie impossiblity because why? Because all aspies can NEVER possibly have buds?

That article you posted comes from the opinion of one doctor at the Henry Ford Center for Autism and Developmental Disorders. Their center specializes in children. I'm not surprized that he is having trouble seeing the children's diagnostic criteria in a room full of adults. He wouldn't be the first doctor to assume that adults are supposed to present exactly like children - because people on the spectrum can't possibly learn, right? Or maybe, people who do learn some social skills and don't 'stick out' as much have somehow changed their brain wiring and are no longer autistic... they couldn't possibly have learned some adaptive skills but still be autistic, could they?

I'm having a hard time understanding why you are so dismissive. And with so little information to base those opinions on.

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05 May 2011, 4:32 pm

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I remember someone I knew on another forum who had ADHD, and who would constantly object to things because "that's what NTs do." And I didn't see the point of not doing things just because NTs do them. If I were to be like that, there's very little I could do, except maybe stay in bed all day and give in to those occasional urges to bang my head.

And since I had people telling me over the past six months that I can't be autistic because I use idioms/I express empathy/I am aware of other people/I am just introverted and socially inept/I occasionally like to talk to people face to face/etc. I'm losing a lot of interest in the whole "NTs do this and autistic people do that mindset. Sometimes autistic people and NTs do the same things - sometimes even for the same reasons! It happens. It doesn't make anyone any less autistic, though.

I get a bit tired of that too...it's a *spectrum*, people. Some of us "get" idioms more than others do (I use them and understand them, but I have been diagnosed AS by someone quite competent...however, the age at WHICH I understood and used them was a bit older than would be expected for an intelligent person...I *am* in my 40s). Some of us do a little better socially than others and we are NOT all the same. I like the saying, if you've met one person with AS, you've met one person with AS. It's ABSURD to try to tell someone they must be NT if they use idioms, or if they are "popular" here, or whatever. Maybe in one aspect they're MORE NT than some others, but maybe less so in other aspects.

We shouldn't be bickering and DEFINITELY shouldn't be diagnosing or un-diagnosing each other. No one is qualified to do that over the internet.

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05 May 2011, 4:34 pm

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swbluto wrote:

I loved a male Aspie. Proving a faulty generalization wrong. The relationship didn't work, I'm told through no fault of mine, but the generalization is still faulty.

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05 May 2011, 4:39 pm

Here's an article saying there is no "epidemic" and that adults are drastically underdiagnosed:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... nosed.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/AutismNews ... d=13518453
http://www2.le.ac.uk/news/blog/2011-arc ... sed-autism

And the study:

http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/conten ... t/68/5/459

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05 May 2011, 4:45 pm

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I saw that recently. Makes a lot of sense.

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05 May 2011, 4:51 pm

Considering AS is a relatively recent diagnosis (~20 years now?) I'm not at all surprised that diagnosis rates increase. Its probably more reflective of increasing awareness. Additionally there are thousands and thousands of adults getting diagnosed. Once this particular demographic (adult diagnosis) evens out (and probably decreases eventually as the adult demographic either gets diagnosed or doesn't) I suspect that childhood diagnosis will increase for a bit and then also even out when an accurate picture of the real percentage appears

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05 May 2011, 4:58 pm

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I am still bitter about idioms as an extremely common idiom was used at my mental health screening for disability benefits to rule out autism in my case. As in describing what "don't judge a book by its cover" means.

I actually was hanging around some people online a few months ago who were trying to simultaneously diagnose and undiagnose me and it was extremely stressful to have someone else put me under that kind of scrutiny, especially when they knew very little about me to begin with, and especially when it was made apparent that I was a topic of gossip for 2-3 months because a communication error blossomed into a mountain of evidence for said sleight of diagnoses.

I just can't take most of what I read on a forum or in chat or wherever as being able to diagnose or undiagnose anyone. Much of what gets posted is out of context and necessarily excludes a lot of details. Just saying "This guy hangs out with his friends, guzzles beer and smokes pot, this means he's not AS" makes no sense. And if it takes professionals to diagnose autistic spectrum disorders, then there's no way some guy on the internet can say "no, that's wrong."

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05 May 2011, 5:19 pm

Okay, so considering the full weight of all the evidence, I think we can all agree that it's under-diagnosed. However, at the same time, it's being massively misdiagnosed. The two are logically compatible and all the extremely obvious evidence as highlighted by me ultimately attests to this fact.

I mean, you're a creep? BAM. You have aspergers!

You don't have any friends? BAM. You have aspergers!

You're shy, introverted and don't like talking to people? BAM. You have aspergers!

You're an emo who scares people? BAM. You have aspergers!

You're an annoying nerd? BAM. You have aspergers!

You're annoyingly monotone? BAM. You have aspergers!

Clearly, rampantly misdiagnosed.

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05 May 2011, 5:26 pm

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I don't think any of those are medical terminologies

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