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02 Nov 2011, 9:44 am

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I usually do okay on first impressions, aka my facade. However, as soon as people start to get to know me, and get past the 'mimicry', they back off and don't want to deal with me.
On regular/good days I can go out and do the normal thing and go to a store (as long as I'm familiar with it) and look 'normal', unless I"m just like "I don't care how I look today" and just throw on pjs and my hoody.
In the class 'plays', I always got the main parts because I could mimic and act. It's difficult to keep it up though with real life. I may smile and look happy, but it's a facade. Usually, I'm frustrated inside, or I'm dissasociating and just going into what I've always called 'automatic' mode, where I just FUNCTION and act and not myself.
On good days, I pass off as normal, but on bad days, it's obvious. I'm either stimming, or I have a blank look, or I just look tired.

Anywho, as we've figured out already, I think Aspie girls are harder to find because of their mimicry and with social expectations. However, they are no where from "NT" on the inside.

Also, I feel it's unfair for everyone to bash the OP, because I get the feeling he was just trying to figure out Aspie woman and what not from what he's observed. He's just trying to figure it all out like the rest of us here.

I feel like your description fits me pretty well, too, and I've struggled with it for a long while now. I can pass for normal on most days, and I think I am a good actor, but other days I just don't have the energy. I think that's why I prefer to stay at home most of the time. No acting is necessary and I can just relax.


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02 Nov 2011, 11:58 am

You do have to remember that the video is most likely rehearsed/scripted/She had to time to prepare for the topic. To simply put it, she's acting in front of the camera. So of course she would appear normal to a NT. Try finding a raw video of a girl with Aspergers that doesn't have a script. It should be more obvious that aspie girls are not normal.



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02 Nov 2011, 7:04 pm

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It is worth noting that not all females with AS are mimics.


It is also worth noting that while some may mimic others socially, that the mimicry extends as far as one perceives. I mimicked a lot of social behavior in order to interact better with people, but what I perceived and copied was a fraction of what is apparently out there.

Plus some things I have a seriously hard time mimicking, such as facial expressions and tone of voice.


Exactly. I'm very good at memorizing what I'm "supposed to" say, but I have no facial expressions and screw up reflections, it comes off wrong.


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02 Nov 2011, 7:09 pm

It's....

ONE video.

Drawing any conclusions from it at all (beyond conclusions about the ONE girl in it) is just ridiculous.


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02 Nov 2011, 7:18 pm

The last time I've checked, "Normal" was a setting on a washing machine.


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03 Nov 2011, 5:19 am

Madao wrote:
You do have to remember that the video is most likely rehearsed/scripted/She had to time to prepare for the topic. To simply put it, she's acting in front of the camera. So of course she would appear normal to a NT. Try finding a raw video of a girl with Aspergers that doesn't have a script. It should be more obvious that aspie girls are not normal.


When I was a techy a few years ago I spent sometime rounding up staff to do videos for students, so not even promotional stuff just educational support.

EVERY woman I spoke to was horrified and refused to do it on the day. EVERY woman required several days notice so that they could get a new haircut, get their eyebrows waxed, paint their nails, put on more expensive & revealing clothes than usual, put on more jewellery, spend a lot longer doing their making than normal etc etc.

NONE of the women turned up in a tatty old jumper.
NONE of the women videoed spent most of the time they were talking NOT looking at the camera.
NONE of the women spent a good deal of time picking their nails.



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03 Nov 2011, 5:21 am

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The last time I've checked, "Normal" was a setting on a washing machine.


Mine just had numbers. It is confusing :?


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03 Nov 2011, 5:26 am

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EVERY woman I spoke to was horrified and refused to do it on the day.


I would be too. Not because I need to pretty myself up for the camera but because I absolutely hate being recorded in any way. I hate being video taped, I don't really like getting my picture taken, and won't let my voice be recorded. I won't even talk on answering machines.



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04 Nov 2011, 8:26 pm

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Then I am not the average aspie female...


We're all different I don't think there is an average aspie female.



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04 Nov 2011, 8:33 pm

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All three people in the video seem perfectly normal to me, and the males do not seem any weirder in any way than the female. But that's only me watching.


To me they all look blatantly autistic in their mannerisms, but I only watched a small part of the video. Alex acted the most NT to me, than the girl, than Jack. Aspergers may not be noticed as much in girls as many aspie traits are more social acceptable in girls than boys, but I've also heard that even though they are less detectable they actually suffer more than boys as girl social relationships are less aspie friendly.


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04 Nov 2011, 10:09 pm

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I've also heard that even though they are less detectable they actually suffer more than boys as girl social relationships are less aspie friendly.


I get this impression, too. It seems like "girl friendships" are far more dependent on "social and verbal sophistication" than "guy friendships". If you're a guy, all you have to say is "Yo, yo, wassup!" (Or, if you prefer classier social circles, it's "You bang that girl at the party last night?") and do some standard fist-bumping and you can find friends anywhere.



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04 Nov 2011, 10:15 pm

^ I think that aspie men do have problems with friendships. But women are harder to win as friends than men. Most of my friends have been men, i cant seem to keep female friends. Men on average just seem more accepting of quirks.


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04 Nov 2011, 10:21 pm

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Most of my friends have been men, i cant seem to keep female friends. Men on average just seem more accepting of quirks.


Well, that's *true* but I'm pretty sure they're simply more accepting of women in your case.



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04 Nov 2011, 11:38 pm

I also have more male friends than female. I agree that men are more accepting of quirks, in general.

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05 Nov 2011, 1:49 am

I think it's more that females are hot. So...yeah...

It would depend, imo. The one girl I know that I suspect has NVLD/Aspergers like me, it's very interesting. She dresses very well, is very well groomed, all that stuff. I at first just thought she was a kinda aloof girl. Lots of hot girls tend to be kinda aloof, so I didn't think much of it. Then, later, as I got to observe and know her slightly better, I started seeing things. Basically, she acts exactly like I do, just she's a girl. She's attempting to learn to figure skate like I am, even though we're both a bit too "old" for it and we both just show up and don't use a coach, etc. That, and I tend to appear very aloof, too. Lots of stuff. But yeah, it's only after getting to know and observe someone for a while and become intimate friends with a person, that "true colors" sorta show.

One thing I will say, I learned a few years ago, how to like, dress well, sorta. Basically, my strategy is, wear the preppiest name brand clothes I can. I just buy random name brand stuff at Salvation Army and sorta throw it all together. I also found out tighter clothing to a point is better looking on you than super loose stuff like I used to wear. That, plus basic grooming, and then later on, working out, solved lots of my social problems with random people. Why? Because I appeared normal. Or at least somewhat normal. To an extent, the clothing and all that "cured" a lot of my social issues. It gave me more leverage, because regardless of lack of eye contact, monotonous voice, whatever, I look the part of being normal. It's just when people get to know me, that problems develop, so how to "solve" that is just don't get terribly close to people.

Anyway, my point is, this girl sorta plays the exact same strategy as me. It "works" but it doesn't. It doesn't solve the underlying issue, it's merely a skin. It's like how I had a skin on Windows 3.1 to make it look like Windows 98. It's still Windows 3.1. But, if you're not very observant or you're just using the computer quickly, you'd probably be none the wiser that it was 3.1. If you were to have to use that computer for a longer period of time than like 10 minutes, though, you'd be like "wtf is this?" And it's the same way people are with me almost always.

As far as girls seeming normal, well, again, girls are hot. People overlook any Aspergers tendancies, or hell, even like them, if you're hot. Sometimes the aloofness makes you seem even more desirable and hard to get.

I think the main thing, though, girls with Aspergers, culturally or whatever it is, seem to have less of a tendency to be basement dwelling losers than do guys with Aspergers. There's a variety of reasons behind this, including feminism and all that, but that'd be another bunch of paragraphs by me. That, and girls who are basement dwelling losers are quite popular among guys who are basement dwelling losers, as the ratio of them is not 1:1 by a long shot. So they marry and live happily ever after (as least as much as normal people who are married, which is to say a 50% chance of failure, woohoo.)
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So, outline of my post. Girls try harder at being normal. Girls tend to not be basement dwelling losers. Girls are hot. That's about all, fulfill those requirements, and yes, people will think you're normal with 5 minutes of looking at you.