This video is just disgraceful to the autistic community.

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This is why I said I didn't think you fully understood. People do condone the murders and they do want the parents to go free. And many parents do go free, or with a light slap on the wrist. Why? Because disabled lives are not considered valuable.



I don't recall ever saying that NTs aren't human or that they are superhuman or that they lack weaknesses. I do care about caregivers, I have been a caregiver. I do care about parents with disabled children. But I do not care for the fact that people are so quick to forgive and understand the reasons for premeditated murder. I cannot cross that bridge, and I am not going to try.

I have in the past found news stories for comparison: A woman who accidentally left her child in the car to die from the heat and the way people were literally calling for her blood. This happened in Washington D.C. and people wanted her tried for murder, and I believe she was tried for murder. And she was characterized as a vicious unfeeling monster, even though the truth of the matter is she made a mistake that everyone makes in their lives, a stupid, pointless, all too easy mistake to make - she forgot to do something and didn't even remember she forgot to do it (drop her child off for day care, I believe). I

On the other hand, parents who deliberately, with premeditation, and in full possession of their faculties who choose to murder their disabled children are painted as victims and the news calls upon us to feel sympathy for their actions, and for the horrible burdens that their child placed upon them to push them to the brink of destruction. You can find dozens, if not hundreds of these.

This is illustrative of the dichotomy I'm trying to explain, that children are only precious and valuable if they're untainted, perfect, abled, and have an apparently bright future. If you want, I will try to dig those examples or similar up for comparison.

And I am certainly not claiming that all parents of disabled children are terrible people. I said earlier in the thread and named one parent I do respect, but I'll go ahead and throw in Janissy (as she posted in this thread, and I'd forgotten her name earlier), MrXxx, cyberdad, League_Girl and others on this forum whose names I am forgetting right now.

I don't even think all those parents in that video are terrible parents. I am not even sure that one parent who said she wanted to kill her daughter is generally a terrible parent, although I think saying that in front of her child, or where her child could find out about it was a terrible choice on her part.

People are NOT going to publicly say, "this is the hand that i was dealt", "It's so difficult to maintain this way of life over an extended period of time," and "My back is against the wall, i see no light at the end of the tunnel." What people are conditioned to do in this particular situation is "grin and bear it" because others don't really understand the turmoil these parents are going through OR society does NOT care to hear IT. You see, i can commiserate and understand 'why' the parents in this video behaved the way they did. They finally got someone to actually sit down and listen to them. It was a moment in time when they could speak candidly and let all their fears and insecurities out; they blew caution to the wind, showing raw emotional pain and all the human frailties that go along with IT.

Do I fault these women for this ? Hell NO. Do i condone IT ? Hell NO. But, i sit back, listen, empathize, and understand their perspective though i may not agree with them.

Again, I don't condone the killing of children, period. However, what i can do, is look at another persons perspective disagree vehemently with what they have done YET have understanding and compassion.

This is another false dichotomy.

I do not have any problems with people knowing what it's like to care for a child with severe autism.

I have problems with normalizing the idea of disposal of those children as "too much trouble." Not that it isn't already normalized to some extent, but why help it along?

Actually it was not directed at you specifically. I have seen people get pissed off that these "kinds" of autism are being represented as though it makes them look bad by merely sharing the same label of "autism".

This is why I said "breaking point". If someone had reached that breaking point it means that a situation has become too much trouble to cope with.

I agree that seeing people with disability as somehow disposable or subhuman is what society does, it would rather them remain segregated, be not seen and not heard and the result is no help, no respite and leaving all the responsibility on families.

And I can't do that.

I do fault parents who kill their own children, and caretakers who kill their charges. I do not have understanding and compassion for murder.

I agree with you that society tends to push "grin and bear it" and that is also wrong, although I would say that particular concept places a huge burden on disabled people of all ages, who are expected to "grin and bear it" and just adapt to be as functional as everyone else, even though it is not always possible, and when it is possible it may come at great personal cost.

My sympathy and compassion for others' struggles ends when they use those struggles as an excuse to harm or kill. Maybe it's black and white thinking, maybe it's cognitive dissonance, but I mostly like to think that it's because I find ending another person's life for one's own comfort and convenience to be abhorrent.

Incidentally, that doesn't mean I support violent reprisals against murderers or anyone else. I am opposed to the death penalty, and I think that imprisonment is typically under inhumane conditions that no one should have to tolerate. I do have enough compassion for any human being that I don't want to subject people to suffer as a form of revenge for their crimes.

No, it's not cognitive dissonance. You have a valid opinion and reason(s) for thinking the way that you do.

When it comes to some subjects, we all have strong convictions that can be characterized as Black and White thinking. And, in some situations, i might adopt your point of view, just not in this particular one.

BUT again, there is nothing wrong with your thinking. I understand your arguments, perfectly well. We just have a different perspective. And, that's OK.

The couple sat in the dock, visibly distressed with their heads bowed as their lawyers applied for bail.

They told the magistrate the circumstances of the alleged offending were extremely unusual and the pair would not be a risk of fleeing.

Magistrate Bob Harrap granted the application.

"I am I inclined to grant bail. There are very unusual aspects obviously to the matter and there is no risk of reoffending," he said.

"This is an unusual matter for there to be a charge as serious as this."

A suppression order was continued on the couple's names and other details and on the reasons for the suppression.

The husband and wife were released on $10,000 bail agreements and three relatives were required to act as guarantors, posting $5,000 each.

The couple must report to police twice per week.

Ms Davison foreshadowed negotiations to downgrade the charges.

"This is a most unusual example of an offence of this type and Your Honour may wonder whether ultimately it's the kind of case where the Crown will perhaps pursue alternate charges of criminal negligence," she said.

The case will return to court in March.

The failure to use reasonable care to avoid consequences that threaten or harm the safety of the public and that are the foreseeable outcome of acting in a particular manner.

"They should be punished forever for doing that. I don't see how come they could do a little baby like that. I can't," said Maudie Taylor, neighbor.

Both parents are being held on a $250,000 bond. According to the police report, McCarley had two other children.

"This child was not expected to live from birth. She had a myriad of medical problems, but she lived until she was 17," Pamplin said. "Kyreshi's mother was going through some personal issues. [Stevenson] was trying to take care of her kid and her mother's children, and I think she was overwhelmed by everything, but nothing was done intentionally."

Leosha's older sister and her mother have been charged with injury to the disabled, accused of causing serious bodily injury to the mentally disabled girl through malnutrition - despite having a legal duty to care for the teen.

Kyreshi Lynn Tara Stevenson, 21, has been incarcerated since Sept. 8. She was being held in the Tarrant County Jail on Wednesday with bail set at $35,000. Tasca Johnson

Her mother, Tasca Kuniko Johnson, 36, surrendered Thursday and was immediately released from the jail after posting a $25,000 bond. She was charged Monday.

The council of kitty cats have spoken.

All who conpurr please raise your paws and meow.

The council of kitty cats have links to support my assertions.

*RuFF*

Verdandi, I remember a while ago we discussed this topic (actiually it was "compassionate killing") and I thought your examples weren't valid comparisons. Much better there, I agree with you that that is disgusting.