Fictional Characters With Undiagnosed Aspergers or Autism

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14 Jan 2008, 1:37 am

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I think the final episode of Daria (not the final movie) verifies she was diagnosed with AS when she was 6 years old and her parents never told her.


That episode was titled "Boxing Daria":

http://www.outpost-daria.com/ts_ep513.html

(begin flashback sequence)

(little Daria is talking to the school counsellor, with Helen and Jake sitting in the background; Helen has an '80s style hairdo, and Jake has a little more hair than he does now)

Doctor - Now, Daria... I want you to tell me what you see when you look at the picture. (holds up an inkblot)

Daria - What do you mean? That's not a picture.

Doctor - Well, not the kind of picture we're used to seeing. This picture lets you make up what it's about.

Daria - Then why don't I just draw my own picture?

Doctor - For instance... one little boy or girl might look at it and see a fire truck or a house. Another might see a herd of beautiful wild ponies running free across the plains.

Daria - It's just a black splotch.

Doctor - Daria, what's your favorite game to play at recess?

Daria - I don't like games. I like to read.

Doctor - Don't you enjoy playing with the other children?

Daria - Not really. They never understand what I'm talking about and then they make fun of me. I like to read.

(Helen and Jake exchange glances)

(in the car, on the ride home; Jake is driving, Helen is riding shotgun, and young Daria and Quinn are in the back seat)

Jake - I'm just saying, Daria. If you give the other boys and girls a chance, you might find someone you like. It takes all kinds.

Quinn - I like lots of kids! (starts bouncing up and down like she's on a sugar high)

Daria - They call me egghead.

Helen - Sweetie, it's a little hard for your father and me to keep taking time off from work to talk to the counselor. Why don't you meet us halfway and try talking to the other kids?

Daria - They don't say anything that interests me.

Quinn - I talk a lot to the other kids, and they talk back!

(the car pulls into the driveway of their home, a modest one-level ranch house)

Helen - Daria, how do you know they don't interest you?

Daria - I'm tired. (gets out of car)

Quinn - I'm not tired!

(later that night)

(little Daria is in bed, while Jake and Helen are arguing in another room)

Helen (offscreen) - Well, I don't know what to do. I'm at my wits' end.

Jake (offscreen) - Dammit, Helen, that's it! I go in there every day to face a psychotic boss, a job that makes me feel like a freakin' slave, then I have to come home and deal with this? How much am I supposed to take?

(Daria is now obviously frightened by what she hears)

Helen (O.S.) - Jake, this isn't about you. It's about her, having a little trouble fitting in.

Jake (O.S.) - She doesn't want to fit in, damn it! Why can't you admit that?!

Helen (O.S.) - Jake, she's a child, she doesn't know any better!

Jake (O.S.) - That's what she wants you to believe!

Helen (O.S.) - Where are you going?!

(the front door, then the car door slams, with little Daria wincing each time and pulling the covers up a little tighter; as the car starts up and pulls away, Daria gets out of bed, switches on the light, and crawls into a large, crayon-decorated refrigerator box and begins to read; the hardship reflected in her young face disappears almost immediately)

(end flashback sequence)


She wasn't literally diagnosed then, just implied. Cool--I think that episode is on a DVD with one of the movies.



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14 Jan 2008, 1:52 am

Does anyone know the comic strip "Pre Teena", about a 10-year-old girl and her family & friends?
http://www.gocomics.com/preteena/

There is a character in there, a girl called Stick, who is the main character Teena's best friend and almost certainly Aspie.

-She takes things literally.

-She seems more naive than the other kids.

-She dresses weirdly sometimes--neither she nor Teena like wearing dresses, but one time Teena's mom made her wear one and she asked Stick if she would wear one too so she wouldn't feel so self-conscious. Stick came in dressed in a period costume from, I believe, the late 1800's.

-She spins a fantasy about what could happen, like other kids might do, but she almost seems to believe it.

-The other kids (except Teena and one or two boys) pick on her. Teena's silly, self-centered teenage older sister calls Stick a "freak".

-She is even allergic to gluten. (Or is that just a disproved theory, that gluten is a problem for autistic people?)

Teena isn't super-popular either, but is mostly just very smart and sensible and probably would be considered just one of the kids that get better grades and fit in and do OK socially. She seems to get social cues, etc. Not all NT's fit into the most popular group. Stick is very smart too but stands out--part of it is she's extremely tall and skinny, hence her nickname, but it's also that she really is different.



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15 Jan 2008, 8:59 pm

Regarding the Star Trek series, I disagree on Spoke and Data in that for Spock, it is the normal traits of his Vulcan side and for Data, (it) is a programmed machine, designed to learn human traits at a very high level - and that trait learning is a central tenet of (its) character and the show's ongoing plotlines.

OTOH, Reginald Barclay is Aspie through and through - and I often felt that 'that is me!' when seeing him.

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15 Jan 2008, 9:12 pm

Huey Freeman from the Boondocks. I'm not the type of person who would diagnose fictional characters, but he does broadly show tendencies of AS.



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15 Jan 2008, 9:51 pm

Hermione Granger and Luna Lovegood from Harry Potter have already been mentioned (between the two, I only subscribe to the Luna theory) but I think people are missing two important candidates:

Severus Snape. Aloof and socially awkward as a child (although he adapts fairly well by adulthood). Although he can love, he lacks empathy. Obsessive about the Dark Arts, evidenced by his lifelong attempts to gain the job of Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher. Speaks in a low voice described often as "silky", although this could be a biased interpretation of a monotone.

Sybill Trelawney. Again, aloof and socially awkward. Occasionally described doing eccentric and odd things. Although not skilled fully at her subject, she obsesses over it regardless. She is theatrical, however, and not monotonous. She may have exhibited a lack of empathy by routinely predicting death and destruction.



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16 Jan 2008, 11:49 am

Willy Wonka in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory?



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16 Jan 2008, 1:10 pm

whitedragon wrote:
Willy Wonka in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory?


from the way Johnny Depp portrays him in the film, yeah... I think so. Not so sure about the book though.



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16 Jan 2008, 6:33 pm

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First one that comes to mind from Star Trek:

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Reg Barclay...


Yes, definitely!

Introverted, reclusive, and extremely talented, I think Barclay has "aspie" written all over him.

Also, I second Sherlock Holmes.

I think that Meg Murry from L'Engle's books (A Wrinkle in Time, etc) is an aspie too. She shares Charles Wallace's intelligence, and is socially awkward.

Also, someone mentioned Travis Bickle, the main character (I won't say 'protagonist') of Taxi Driver. I'm not so sure that he's an aspie, but he is at least a schizophenic; he's totally detached himself from reality by the end of the film.

*has a sudden urge to watch Taxi Driver...*



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17 Jan 2008, 2:13 am

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Huey Freeman from the Boondocks. I'm not the type of person who would diagnose fictional characters, but he does broadly show tendencies of AS.


Definitely!



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17 Jan 2008, 2:15 am

Martha Horgan, main character in "A Dangerous Woman" by Mary McGarry Morris.

I'm not the only one who thinks so:

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2003/10/10/144307.php

Although in the movie that was made from this book, Debra Winger plays her more as a ret*d woman. But in the book it was made clear that she was intelligent enough, just had no social skills and many obsessions and seemed "weird" to people.



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17 Jan 2008, 11:18 am

I'd say Monk, he has the social problems as well as sensory distress, an amazingly high IQ and memory. Probably conbined with OCD too.

I deffinatly second L, He has the social aspecg, as well as sensory, the high IQ and the obsession to solve crimes.

I disagree with the analisis of House, Grissom, ans Sarah SWidle. Yes, they have the social aspects, and a high IQ, but none of them have the sensory problems distinct to AS. House even drives a motercycle, which seems to be enemy of all those with AS.



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17 Jan 2008, 12:56 pm

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I disagree with the analisis of House, Grissom, ans Sarah SWidle. Yes, they have the social aspects, and a high IQ, but none of them have the sensory problems distinct to AS. House even drives a motercycle, which seems to be enemy of all those with AS.


Sorry, but I know a LOT of Aspie's who not only ride motorcycles but love them. Personally, the noise doesn't bother me in the slightest, but I won't ride because I consider myself too intelligent to risk being road pizza.... I put a bike down on dirt when I was 14, once is enough. Lesson learned.


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17 Jan 2008, 1:34 pm

While I know this is for fun and I hope I'm not being too picky, I disagree with the diagnoses of Dr. House and Huey Freeman. On the contrary, both have excellent social skills (as a matter of fact, House seems to always tell when someone is lying) and both can read people very well. Yes they're not social, but because they choose to be, not because they have a hypothetical condition.



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17 Jan 2008, 1:49 pm

Ah, but many can learn to tell when someone is lying. Although with House, he seems to assume EVERYONE lies LMAO....

I have a highly developed BS detector. My best friend is also an Aspie and he has NO clue when someone's lying to him. He's a programmer and I'm a Collections Officer. I learned how for my job, and if I hadn't been able to, then I would be terrible at it. I can't explain it, there are just certain things you can pick up. A hesitation in a voice, a shifting of posture, but NONE of it came easy and I had to LEARN to do it. Now it's almost second nature, kind if like parrying with a foil. If you have to THINK about doing it, it's too late.


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17 Jan 2008, 2:31 pm

I'm not saying that every person with Asperger's has poor social knowledge, but Huey and House's seemed so proficient that I see no reason to believe that they could have an ASD. Yes, they are obsessive, but that's about it, right?



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17 Jan 2008, 2:42 pm

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I disagree with the analisis of House, Grissom, ans Sarah SWidle. Yes, they have the social aspects, and a high IQ, but none of them have the sensory problems distinct to AS. House even drives a motercycle, which seems to be enemy of all those with AS.


Sorry, but I know a LOT of Aspie's who not only ride motorcycles but love them. Personally, the noise doesn't bother me in the slightest, but I won't ride because I consider myself too intelligent to risk being road pizza.... I put a bike down on dirt when I was 14, once is enough. Lesson learned.


My point is that it takes more than one aspect of a syndrome to diagnose someone with it. They don't stim, they don't have sensory problems, all they have are social problems.