High School male with AS stabs classmate.

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It takes a lot of pain to drive most people to do something really wrong. Bullying is life-threatening, and it puts people in chronic pain, stress, and fear of death. Police are actually allowed to kill if they think that someone is going to try to kill them. Bullies usually put their victims in fear that they will be killed by the bullies and their friends, and they maintain this state of mind in their victims for years at a time. This might well drive people to do things that are "wrong", but how wrong is it to defend against someone who you believe wants to kill you?

Just a belief? The bullies force that belief on their victims. They volunteer to be in the position of deadly aggressor.

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I'm really concerned about what the MSM is doing to fuel sterotypes and hysteria. Is there anyone in the AS community doing something to counter this? I was going to disclose to my boss this week but I think I'll keep it under my hat. Sucks. I wish the MSM would rise above pandering for hysteria as tatctic to get ratings.

That's my main concern about the whole thing. Anyone who was going to disclose or felt the need to is going to have to wait until this thing blows over and everyone's forgotten, if they ever do.

I think we have to get it out there that it's not the Asperger's that's causing it but more likely one or more of the co-diagnosis'.

For example, our son has Asperger's but he also has Bi-Polar, OCD, Depression, GAD, development/behavioral age of 6, and a few more issues.

I would be willing to bet that these kids that are shooting/stabbing have co-diagnosis' or are as yet undiagnosed on those co-diagnosis' (ie: manic/depressive mood swings, etc.).

If those co-diagnosis' are kept under control then I think that having Asperger's can actually be a good thing.

There are plenty of well-known folks with Asperger's who have never physically hurt another being and in my humble opinion it's because they either don't have the other issues (bi-polar, OCD, etc.) or those other issues were/are being successfully managed.

How about some very common things that anyone can suffer from? I'm not going to try to think up a good collective name for it right this minute, but think of a stress syndrome that can happen to anyone from chronically being under attack, being forced to live a painful and subhuman life, and suffering from the chronic stress of being bullied.

The attempts to "correct" Aspie behavior can cause the same stresses as bullying, and ditto for any other perceived abnormality or syndrome.

How about Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)?

I tried to do something to counter stereotypes about six months ago. See The Aspie Women Photo Calendar. It's a bit long, but some of it is very, very funny. Despite the title of the thread, I had no particular agenda except to discuss an idea to promote AS awareness and counter stereotypes. Nevertheless, some people were absolutely convinced that I was a pervert and a creep just lookin' for some flesh. Talk about steroetypes and hysteria.

The school officials should have gotten involved, than maybe it wouldn't have gotten to that point.

Possibly. I don't know about the "Post" part because what I am talking about is what happens while the stress is still being applied.

Agreed. I thought about that while I was posting it.... I wonder if there's Traumatic Stress Disorder or something of the effect...

If it was me, I would act like I am scared let his ass become close to nothing then stick pipe through his fu<king head.

If he bullied my dog he would bite on his rass.

I do not condone what Odgren is alleged to have done. Saying that the victim deserved to die is opening the door for someone to go around killing aspies and saying "she deserved to die, because she was flawed." However, even though I don't condone it, doesn't mean I don't understand where the kid was coming from. Or where anyone else here is coming from, or, in fact, where I might be coming from in a situation like that.

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The Church of Scientology is blaming the drugs he was on.

I'd bet it's just as likely that it's due to him NOT having been on the RIGHT medication(s) as it could be due to the meds he was on causing the behavior.

The majority of the psychiatric drugs are not recommended or approved for kids yet so many of the kids are on these drugs (including our own son).

We've been through so many different medications trying to find the right one(s) but because there's no research done on kids with these meds (what parent in their right mind would allow their child to be part of a drug research trial) it's a constant hit-and-miss.

Trazodone (prescribed to control his severe Bi-Polar cycling) caused our son to hear voices telling him to kill himself and us, so that we could all "join the voices". And yet his psychiatrist denied it was a side effect and we didn't find out that it really was until he ended up in a psyche ward and the psychiatrist there told us that it actually can be a side-effect, one of the rarer side-effects yet a side-effect none the less.

Geodon was then prescribed to control cycling but it totally did not control or help at all, he was rapidly cycling and ended up in a psychiatric ward again. It was a low dose to try to avoid the weight gain yet the dose was too low to help control the cycling.

Risperdal worked for a while but it caused a TREMENDOUS weight gain.

So you have some drugs causing psychotic behavior and other drugs not stopping psychotic behavior, and then when you find one that does work the side effects are so bad that the med have to be stopped.

Now he's on Seroquel and Lithium and Clonazepam. Every choice for his health right now is an evil choice, we just have to constantly try to figure out which is the LEAST evil choice.

But back to the topic, it could very well have been the boy was on the wrong drugs so his problems weren't under control, rather than being that the drugs that he was on were actually causing the behaviors.

It's all so very confusing, I really do feel for the parents of the boy who committed the crime, provided they were working to get him help and not just ignoring it.

Diane

As a 26 year old with Asperger’s Syndrome I am offended by some of the comments people in the Boston media are making about this boy. He cannot help how he is or that he has “unusual” interests.

I agree what he did was wrong and whilst I do not condone his actions I can to some extent understand them. I too have unusual interests and was severely bullied all through school. People with Asperger’s often have real problems having empathy, understanding the consequences of their actions and knowing how to react if bullied or teased. He would have felt isolated, misunderstood and alienated in the school enviroment.

Prison is not the right place for a 16 year old child especially one with Asperger’s he needs to be placed in a secure psychiatric location or juvenile detention and given social skills training and once released (in about 20 years) supervised for the rest of his life. There also needs to be more awareness of the condition and services to help people with AS to prevent similar incidents occuring.