Playing the Autism Card May Be Harmful to Humanity

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So let's look at this material in greater depth: What was Einstein saying when he told Heisenberg it was nonsense to found a theory on observable facts alone? "In reality..the very opposite happens. It is theory which decides what we can observe."' Well, obviously he was saying that context frames the way we look at things and further understand them. The question here is why this would not indicate to start from the right with a general principle or theory anout how things work, instead of starting from the left? It is because activity is generated out of the general perceptual field which we could represent by a circle, but in order to correlate movement, so step, it is necessary to fine tune. In this sense wisdom precedes action, but when making an action one knows what one is doing in the sense that one does not have to think about it. File this away for later. (I just realized "file" is an interesting word:-)

And from the blog http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/20 ... drake.html

What we get here, which is most interesting, if you think about it, is that various pieces of information serve as intersection points in that the same material can be interpreted from different angles and presumably used to support various theories, functioning as a bridge between sets. So why do so many (though not all) scientists look down on Sheldrake? Is it that he is starting from the right with his theory of morphic resonance in that if a person really understands it, this will amplify right brain function? I think it is, as conventional science is more concerned with developing understanding that will result in the performance of specific tasks. And is this bad? I cannot see why it would be. though people can get lost in details.

I think the last two messages on this thread may have been less interesting to people because in order to understand them it is necessary to kind of start from the right. Remember, context already exists for the person who is processing data, but there is a subtle suggestion that they abandon this in order to understand this theory about making a theory, which, in a sense, makes no sense:-) in that a person needs a particular reason to give up a particular context.

Einstein is presenting a theory about making a theory. This would be a good example of starting from the right. For one thing, we do not have a specific context into which to apply this 'information' (theory about theory), except in the sense that I am using it here to explain and give a physical 'taste' of encapsulation, a principle which any one who has been diligently following the material presented and trying to think about it already understands, so what I am writing could be a form of overkill in that it blurs lines and takes away contrast. but as mentioned, "file" is an interesting word. I think it could be related to sensation in the sense of whittle (whit-L) or hone, but also implies a form of reductionism if applied to encapsulation, as we are speaking of a figurative circle or framework, not a literal one, so would perhaps be a logical error.

I think next it might be interesting to look at these two words, "file" and "hone" in regard to brain function.

Hi. It is interesting that file and hone are both related to reduction but in two somewhat different ways. This is highly subjective, but I see file more as relating to left brain function, specifically sensation, such as filing ones nails:-) or sanding wood (would:-) or even could be metaphorically compared in my mind to what is called the weak force of the universe and this word file also can mean systematically putting on even tucking (another interesting word which suggest some form of right brain function) information deemed to be in some way significant for possible future use in a specific place where it can be more easily found, as we know if it is just mixed indiscriminately with random miscellaneous information or papers, it can be lost in the wash, whereas hone, imo, is more related to right brain function and punning in that it is akin to pare, as in par (from the French par (though or by) and the Latin per (through), http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/par and as I recall in Sanskrit par is the word for fruit, and we also see this consonant base. p--r in par and peer, meaning equal, and appear or peer as to see. Related to hone, we can also take a look at the word honey from the perspective of mining an intersection (hoe-knee:-)! !!

This may have gone a bit or a tad out there, but in terms of using these consonant bases as a device to look at things in a new way, we can see that left brain function and right brain function are intricately connected. So should they be even more intricately connected for the most optimum and effective functioning of the brain by joining in union? And we already know that there are many different results from many different kinds of union, such as there is perfect union and imperfect union.

To continue this a bit further, it might be interesting to look at the relationship between man and woman. Maybe I will go back and finish the Rapunzel story pretty soon and eventually bring this back to what is in psychology referred to as object relations and also autism and then finally begin to understand how playing the autism card may (or may not) be harmful to humanity. The later is not so easy to explain, which is why I said in the beginning I am looking at a time frame of about three years, though I would like it to be shorter.. I think now we are into month four.

So, taking a pause here, why has thread been so popular? I think a lot of it is that there is being presented some unique material about language and brain function which allows us to look at ourselves and autism in relation to the world in a new way. People are generally on the lookout for a new and more creative way to understand life and comprehensively integrate data. You may think most people are not, but actually it is easy to get any even any ordinary Joe interested if he can see a functional value to the material, and, as I mentioned before, you never see children fighting when they are making a discovery together, such as looking at an unusual leaf or a new kind of bug. But putting the intrigue of language and brain encapsulation aside, I think there may be another reason in that there is an implication that by not playing the autism card there may be some undiscovered way that autistic brain function or perhaps any kind of brain function-- just using ones own brain differently-- may be very helpful to humanity, and this, perhaps, is the hidden intrigue and magnetic attraction. Anyway, if it is difficult to understand and takes special focus to begin to understand enough to become more and more interested and so (p-g) keep the focus and increase the attention and with it the intention, then who better than the people here?

Hope you like this message: Am in a big hurry so will just begin and maybe post another message later today or tomorrow.

It might be interesting to look at life, our minds a bit sideways:-) from the angle of biophysics. The reason for a bit sideways is that sometimes when we look at something directly it blends in and we kind of miss it, such as if there is an 'invisible' bug on a leaf, the same color of the leaf, but then if we just turn our heads slightly there is this amazing sensitive alive green creature...

Now we are dealing with ideas here, food for the mind, which brings us back to the amazing salad (a word worth noting) of a plant called rapunzel from the witches garden which the mother pregnant with a child (who would be named Rapunzel and claimed by the witch as payment for the salad she so intensely craved for.

(Am just sticking this in here even though it is not part of the intended message and may edit it out later, but payment is an interesting word. Many verbs crystallized or, better put, turned into nouns by the suffix ment.)

So...salad...but first a comment on allegory...people often use one thing to say something else, and in terms of communication this is indeed conceptual inter-folding. meaning by indeed-- in deed, in doing. Imo original thinking equates to doing in that it changes the brain, whereas repetitive thinking as a result of unresolved inner conflict because of unprocessed trauma simply supports past conditioning Look at it this way---if a person understands something, he does not need to refer back to it, but it is expressed by direct action not a re-action, and this does part the waters of the Red Sea. I notice aspies are being categorized by themselves and others as being overly literal, and I think there is some truth there, but it is up for grabs if being literal is a flaw or a virtue. That would be contextual. The analogy I generally use is that of seeing a child in the street about to be hit by a car. To run into the street and save the child without thinking about doing or not doing it would be an immediate action that directly expresses at that moment a conscious realization by the rescuer of being interdependent with that child, so ultimately a very simple and pure expression of self, not Self or a so-called 'greater mind', but just self, oneself doing an instantaneous act of caring. In complex situations, however, things can seem more difficult to sort out, though whether or not they actually are remains to be seen.

Anywaaay...we are talking about brain function here; a pregnant woman hungered for the salad, the rapunzel or in some version called rampion (https://www.google.com/#q=ramp+definition) that grew in the witches garden, and when her husband climbed over the wall to steal some for her, the witch caught him doing this and then they had to promise their unborn child to the witch. When I read this as a child it was extremely interesting and fascinating, though I had no idea why. It just was.

Now re "salad," the technical way I first learned to look at consonant bases many years ago would be SLD which gives the words sealed or sold, and this would be the way ancient Persians or Hebrews might look at these words, but with the English language and probably most other modern languages, this approach is not as functional to the so called nth, as ancient language were much simpler. Generally speaking, in using one thing to convey another thing, people can be very inventive and use whatever device works and in a given situation is of functional value, and if you teach people to do it, then this opens up a whole new doorway into different levels of communication, and each writer has his own style. So, with sal-ad we will take SaL --SoL (sun), SouL SeaL, SoLve), SoLution), SiLk and many others. Turn this around and we get LeSs, LoSe or LoSs, LiSt, LeaSt, and very interestingly, LiSp, and it is worth noting that we only find the double S at the end of a word, not the beginning (and the double M or N in the middle of words:-)

So now we have a primer, and I am noticing that the more a person talks past a certain point, the drier the mouth gets, sort of like making a LiSt in that the longer the list gets, the more difficult it is to connect various elements which need to be remembered to certain areas of the brain which need to remember, but this is why we have lists--so we can remember what it is difficult to remember. The thing is to remember where we put the list. when to use a list and perhaps ultimately how to not need one.

So, I went kind of off track a bit, but in the story of Rapunzel, salad is suggestive to me of thirst quenching. We know it is green, alive and containing moisture.

The reason I started to write all of this yesterday and was really quite inspired is that I noticed something unusual about the thread count here in that it was very low, possibly because I was not writing for quite a while, and then, though I did not write anything at all, it jumped way up very rapidly for no reason I could put my finger on, as I do not think it can be attributed to a search engine anomaly, and an idea jumped into my mind that it maybe had something to do with the weather (whether:-) It is from this angle I intend to continue.

Go to Jail.

Go DIRECTLY to Jail.

Do NOT pass Go, and do not collect 200 dollars!

A good message the first time you posted it on page 13 and a good if not even better message this time, even though it is exactly the same.

One question is, what if a person is already in jail and playing the game of monolopoly there with other inmates but does not realize he is in jail, or what if he thinks he is jail and he really is not? Or(e) in one sense he is and in another sense he isn't.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5704451.html#5704451 That message I wrote then in response was incomplete and I did know it at the time, but there is a process. Obviously, at least to me, the real question which you must be asking is how to get out of jail. As I have written, the way in must be the way out, but I think another implied question is if there is a short cut. Yeah, there must be, and that is what makes the story interesting--when there is life there is hope, but the turtle won the race with the hare.

Wow!

I didnt realize that I had posted it twice!

Yeah- the autism card is rarely a "'get out of jail free' card". More like winning a booby prize.

Yeah, being on the spectrum can be like being in jail.

Here is what I wrote previously, and thanks again, naturalplastic....the truth is I kind of lost the thread of where I am going with what I have been writing and at that point started to get off track. This is going to be a little difficult, but there needs to be some kind of vibratory bridge between this:
and this:
Now which comes first, the chicken or the egg?

In this case it would be necessary to start with a direct impression, so direct seeing (which I suppose would be the chicken. Will have to think about it..,) That would be both the beginning and the end--seeing the light. This would, in effect equate to starting from the left, so sensation. I went off on a tangent when I talked about hom(ing pigeons or whatever), magnetic tape and Sheldrake, and imo Sheldrake went off when talking about this stuff, too. In short, do not let the left hand know what the right hand is doing, because in terms of a complete spontaneous deed out of total understanding, thinking impedes action--except if ones thinking is going to put oneself in a kind of jail or is keeping oneself in jail then one does need to know, so it is in certain contexts necessary to think about ones own thinking though perhaps seeing (through) ones own muddled thinking like the sun burning through the clouds would be better.

I should mention, I suppose, that for some people jail really is like home. They do feel at home there more than they do in the outside world, so it is all relative and contextual, and also, homing or orientation is not the same as being home. I would not call being home more of a right brain experience than a left brain experience; there is a balance. It is just that at home all kinds of particulars fall into place or are already in place, so it is comfortable, but then people have to and even want to go into the world. So when the world becomes home, which I think is kind of rare, different people will experience that differently.

Good happy day..or(e) night. Something a little unusual is happening on this thread. and it may be necessary to slow things down here. It is my aim to not let any kind of cat out of the bag and lose required force, as we all know that when once something is out it's out. So in the mean time I may write and lay more foundation but will also be kind of treading water. To any regular readers, please go back to the previous page starting here http://www.wrongplanet.net/postp5908122.html#5908122 and ponder the possible implication of where this all could be going, if anywhere. I started out an hour or so ago with the idea to continue on the same track but first happened to see an interesting on WP which gave me the idea that maybe I should wait. What does it mean to wait? I think the concept implies that a person is poised between two different dimensions.

I will share that the key to what I was going to say next is epitomized by the duplicate messages from naturalplastic. To me, he was telling me to look at what I wrote in response to what he previously wrote and that I had gotten off track and forgotten exactly where I was going, so he helped me remember something or other kind of important, which to me was indeed very helpful and I felt gratitude for being understood and helped in this way, but the actual case (as far as I know, ha ha:-) is that he just happened to look at the first page of this thread and responded to the same message again, having forgotten he responded to it previously. And then he kindly shared the truth of the incident, for which I am also grateful, as this simple misunderstanding about being 'understood 'factored into my own understanding in such a way as to give me even more understanding. Kind of a reverse confirmation bias.....and this is exactly what I was going to write about next, giving an incident from my personal life many years ago involving certain what some people would call supernatural transmissions (but of course there was an objective physical explanation) were occurring and then when I was in my car, fortunately just pulling out in front of my home and not on the freeway, the transmission went out and the car slowed and stopped, in short, because of this I then experienced a radical insight about the nature of transmission.

So did I already just say what I was previously going to say and had instead decided to wait on? No.

Anywaay, a little while ago when thinking about the word wait, I did some quick research into another w word and found by chance some very interesting material--so interesting in terms of the potential of using this particular material (which will be coming up on this thread) to communicate-- that for a moment I started to shake....

Now lets go slow..I am writing this and what will follow for a while in a conscious attempt to slow things down...and also give new readers a chance to perhaps catch up....what does it mean to wait...to stand between two worlds, two dimensions? This particular paragraph, by the way, could be riffed off of for quite a long time...

This post made me very happy. Thank you for making it.

Hi LifUlfur. Below is (from page 14) my response to Willard's post so you and other new readers can see it. Imo the way Willard phrased things, though expressing his own true feelings about his personal experience, slants the context of what I wrote into a very black and white perspective which misses the general gist of what I was trying to get at, though I acknowledge I did not express it very well. Anyway, that is what this thread is about--to express that particular idea content and enquire into it (and maybe even find out I am wrong). I'm glad you are reading this thread, though I am guessing you have only read the very beginning, and I am going to write a second message later today or tomorrow addressing you directly and asking a question about what you wrote. I particularly love enquiring with teenagers. +++ In fact my friend and I are considering starting a forum for teenagers in the future.

Also, I am editing the below quote only to correct some typos I see that I originally missed and also to insert the entire paragraph Willard quoted only that single sentence from, therefore taking the material out of context. littlebee

Can I ask a question ?

Could you rephrase just the title of this thread "playing the autism card" - this time without using a metaphor ?

I haven't a clue what it means and how playing the autism card can be harmful to humanity. I have read the entire thread - maybe I missed something but I don't understand why referencing Sheldrake and Grimm, or subjective semantics has anything to do with "playing the autism card" ?

I'm probably not thinking hard enough.

Not being myself and celebrating my differences could be harmful for my mental health.

Same here....


...and Shubunkin wrote:



Of course you can ask a question. One thing I don't understand, though, is how you could read all of this material without understanding it. To me that would be very boring.




The above was written some time back on page 5, September 23.. It is all much clearer to me now then it was at that point.

Re the function of the Rapunzel material and the Sheldrake quote and the word roots, that is all to explain how the brain works regarding autistic encapsulation...(though, as I have already said, I think my choice of the Sheldrake material was misguided) and also, I have gradually come to the conclusion that I need to expand the scope and intent of this thread so as to ultimately present a different way to use the brain and the understanding of that material will come very much in handy later in terms of not only people helping themselves (I think and hope) but, as I have already written a few pages back, as I recall, will possibly present a new way to work with autistic children around sensation-- that material is kind of complex and difficult to understand. It would need to be studied, and to do that is not for everyone...I am going to make a different thread soon speaking in much simpler language on this same subject.but leaving out the harmful to humanity part...or maybe I will just go into that here. I am so glad Willard's message was posted again, as that is very helpful..

Anyway, a key point for me is that in my opinion it is not possible to understand completely how playing the autistic card could be harmful to humanity unless a persons understands how using the brain in an entirely different way could be HELPFUL to humanity. It is very exciting for me to write the latter. In order to understand how to use the brain in a new way it is necessary to understand what is encapsulation, and also the basic dynamics of push and pull (as could be represented metaphorically, for example, by double m or n appearing in the middle of words, and yes this is highly subjective Meaning, but no more subjective than being autistic:-) That could mean just about anything to anyone, including oneself. The principle is that a person makes a protective circle around oneself and then thinks feels it is his whole self, his essential self. Imo that is very unlikely. It is a story that yes, serves some function and is partly true, but basically can keep a person locked in jail. Just accepting ones perceived self as being in jail does not lead to freedom from jail.

Hope this explains a bit and I will write more when I get a chance. Feedback is always welcome on this thread and feel free to ask questions. I will answer the best I can.