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08 Dec 2017, 10:46 pm

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I do believe, at times, that a person does need people to "listen" to him/her, even when no solution is forthcoming.

I have no ability to help ASS-P---except through "listening" to him, and trying to offer advice. And he probably knows that.


My advice to him would be to take better care of his diet. That's his most pressing problem at 280 pounds with CHF and type 2 diabetes. Not college or memorabilia.



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08 Dec 2017, 10:52 pm

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It's just ridiculous that you keep asking for help that you're not willing to accept in the first place. You just get frustrated and want people to do things for you so that you never have to do anything to better yourself or your health or situation and it becomes annoying over time to anyone who's seen your posts for years.


That's really what it comes down to. Even if someone did adopt him, or offer to become his full time assistant, I really get the feeling he would fight them every step of the way.


Ezra, you do realize one of the traits of autism is rigid thinking. That's a major issue for us dude. And, he's 57. Think about it. 57 years of rigid thinking and other maladaptive behaviors. It's extremely difficult for an NT to just change overnight. He's autistic so it's doubly for him and the rest of us. No person can just change overnight. That's the problem. He can't just take on a new paradigm without major help to do so.


Why do you think I don't understand that? What you are saying is exactly why I think if someone took him under their wing, he would fight them every step of the way. That's why I require specially trained people to handle me and why I need occupational therapy.

So what is your solution?

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There are NTs who say we have no empathy. Seeing the s**t on here towards Ass-P, maybe they're right. And maybe we do need to be cured of this thing.


So what would you consider a display of empathy? Saying something useless like "I feel so bad for you and I really wish I could help, but....".

Do you have anything constructive to offer along these lines, or did you just want to put me and others down?


Sorry man, just not in a good place right now.



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08 Dec 2017, 10:57 pm

EzraS wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I do believe, at times, that a person does need people to "listen" to him/her, even when no solution is forthcoming.

I have no ability to help ASS-P---except through "listening" to him, and trying to offer advice. And he probably knows that.


My advice to him would be to take better care of his diet. That's his most pressing problem at 280 pounds with CHF and type 2 diabetes. Not college or memorabilia.


Agreed! And read for enjoyment.



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08 Dec 2017, 11:38 pm

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It's just ridiculous that you keep asking for help that you're not willing to accept in the first place. You just get frustrated and want people to do things for you so that you never have to do anything to better yourself or your health or situation and it becomes annoying over time to anyone who's seen your posts for years.


That's really what it comes down to. Even if someone did adopt him, or offer to become his full time assistant, I really get the feeling he would fight them every step of the way.


Ezra, you do realize one of the traits of autism is rigid thinking. That's a major issue for us dude. And, he's 57. Think about it. 57 years of rigid thinking and other maladaptive behaviors. It's extremely difficult for an NT to just change overnight. He's autistic so it's doubly for him and the rest of us. No person can just change overnight. That's the problem. He can't just take on a new paradigm without major help to do so.



Why do you think I don't understand that? What you are saying is exactly why I think if someone took him under their wing, he would fight them every step of the way. That's why I require specially trained people to handle me and why I need occupational therapy.

So what is your solution?

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There are NTs who say we have no empathy. Seeing the s**t on here towards Ass-P, maybe they're right. And maybe we do need to be cured of this thing.


So what would you consider a display of empathy? Saying something useless like "I feel so bad for you and I really wish I could help, but....".

Do you have anything constructive to offer along these lines, or did you just want to put me and others down?


Sorry man, just not in a good place right now.


Understood. No problem. I apologize too.



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08 Dec 2017, 11:49 pm

...If I could get help with those pictures/memoribilia and other stuff I COULD Stewart on figuring out what to with them - I would jyst need some help in getting things set up! :(
Goldfish claims that he thought about me but didn't, and he expects a parade to congratulate him for thinking about helping me but not doing so. I have no recollection of him talking to me about helping me at all.
People claim " I don't help myself enougenough " I guess. I have NEVER RECEIVED any help from people; either generally or at alk, who hurl these accusations at me on these lines!
Goldfish is congratulating himself for disposing of a few things I have NOTHING long-term, and I am just asking - BEGGING; really - for help in rescuing those few precious pictures, etc.; from destruction :( .
Please, won't simeone someone help a lonely old cripple with his few memories of what he once had :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: ?


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08 Dec 2017, 11:52 pm

ASS-P I wish the best for you. I'm sorry for what you are going through.



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09 Dec 2017, 1:47 am

...I lost another post :cry: .


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" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.:-(
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!


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09 Dec 2017, 2:03 am

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.Ezra, you begrudge me having some help, when you have so much help yourself. Goldfish, you congratulate yourself for once having thought about helping me - but never having done it, you stretch this into berating me for " The problem wirh you is...you don't want to help yourself ! ". Why :( ?
When I've asked for help, I've generally asked for transportaton/connections/knowledge, NOT money/gifts :( .


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One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.:-(
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!


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09 Dec 2017, 3:29 am

What do you mean "why?" I thought I was pretty clear already.

You ask for advice, people give it to you, you ignore them and don't do any of the things that might help your health or your situation improve. You ask for help, I tell you I'm within an afternoon's driving distance but feel my time and resources would be completely wasted because you're so set on being miserable and not trying to learn do to anything that'll help you. It seems you like to complain about your situation far more than you'd like to actually resolve it, or you'd spend more time & energy making ANY kind of effort to better yourself. It's fine is that's the way you prefer to live your life, but it gets a little tiring seeing the same cries for help over and over and over again and zero evidence of any efforts made on your behalf to improve anything whatsoever.

BTW, I literally just got in from a meeting mentoring an 18yo who's back to staying at a Safehouse for Homeless Youth. When I met him last Summer, he was in that spot. I got him a job, he worked, made some money. Made some mistakes, got laid off, and then he's been lazy for a couple months not working, owes me and others a bit of money we've helped him out with etc.. anyways, I hung out with him for an hour and gave him a bit of a blast of a "big brother" lecture about getting back into motion, working, earning money, getting uncomfortable - not just out of his comfort zone - but literally uncomfortable.. get out of your warm bed & pajamas and outside in the cold every morning and Go. To. Work. He frustrates me sometimes, but he's a good, extremely well mannered, likeable kid and I don't want to see him slip backwards and being a lost cause living on the streets. He took action to leave a bad home life situation, now I'm kicking his ass in the right direction to see that he's able to make his own way in the world & stumbles as little as possible along the way. He stumbles, though.. a lot. He's pretty ADD and a bit of a stoner, but still, he listens to my advice and feedback and while he doesn't do everything he ought to on time, in general he's a lot more receptive to help and is slowly moving in the right direction taking action getting things done in his life. I acknowledge that he's only 18 and there's a bit of a learning curve of hopping into adult life, so I have patience, and continue to be persistent following up with him in order to help keep him focused and on track. And yes, I lecture him about taking far more action than he does vs. just agreeing in the moment that my advice is good and that he should do things etc - because then he doesn't tend to get nearly what he should be getting done, accomplished.. and that's my biggest frustration with him, tbh. I reminded him of that tonight. He's getting better, though, so I'll be patient and continue to work with him.

Anyways, there ya go - I DO care about the less fortunate. Especially homeless kids. I have patience and persistence. But even my patience only goes so far with someone who completely ignores any good advice they're given and refuses to do anything at all that's within their power to help themselves, never mind everything within their power - that can be worked on & built up to.. but it's gotta start with the willingness to do something.


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09 Dec 2017, 4:02 am

Please will someone store ASS-P's memorabilia for him? I would but shipping is too expensive from USA to UK.



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09 Dec 2017, 5:19 am

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.Ezra, you begrudge me having some help, when you have so much help yourself. Goldfish, you congratulate yourself for once having thought about helping me - but never having done it, you stretch this into berating me for " The problem wirh you is...you don't want to help yourself ! ". Why :( ?
When I've asked for help, I've generally asked for transportaton/connections/knowledge, NOT money/gifts :( .


I don't begrudge you at all. I understand from my own need for help, so that's why I'm not telling you to go do it yourself. But at the same time, where are you going to get someone to help you full time? I only have full time help now because I'm still a kid. I have no idea what if any full time help I will have in the future.



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09 Dec 2017, 6:32 am

...Ezra, I wasn't expecting to get full-time help.
Goldfish, by your own admission, you never reached out to me or offered me help, you just thought about it but didn't do if! Then, you are passing judgement on me and saying " I did nothing " as if you had had contact with me! :x WHICH YOU DID NOT.


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" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.:-(
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!


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09 Dec 2017, 7:10 am

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...Ezra, I wasn't expecting to get full-time help.
Goldfish, by your own admission, you never reached out to me or offered me help, you just thought about it but didn't do if! Then, you are passing judgement on me and saying " I did nothing " as if you had had contact with me! :x WHICH YOU DID NOT.


He and others say they don't think helping you will work because you shoot down every suggestion or bit of advice they give you. Not even saying you'll give it try. You just flat out refuse, and get angry with them for even suggesting whatever.

If I was in your position, I would try asking a few churches if they would store my stuff for a while.



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09 Dec 2017, 8:38 am

...Rwgarding my desire to get help with a place for the stuff from my brother - what has anyone suggested I do, and that I " shot down "? The ONLY thing that has been suggested is that I should welcome my last few memories being thrown away forever! :x That is the only " thing to help me " that Goldfish has suggested! He just congratulates himself for once having thought about reaching out to me but never doing anyrhing! :( I don't think there are any churches here that offer storage, ceet!only not that I can approach from nowhere :| ...






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...Ezra, I wasn't expecting to get full-time help.
Goldfish, by your own admission, you never reached out to me or offered me help, you just thought about it but didn't do if! Then, you are passing judgement on me and saying " I did nothing " as if you had had contact with me! :x WHICH YOU DID NOT.


He and others say they don't think helping you will work because you shoot down every suggestion or bit of advice they give you. Not even saying you'll give it try. You just flat out refuse, and get angry with them for even suggesting whatever.

If I was in your position, I would try asking a few churches if they would store my stuff for a while.[/quote]


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" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.:-(
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!


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09 Dec 2017, 8:57 am

...There actually is a storage place here that I could possibly arrange leaving stuff at, and someone helping me get the stuff of my brother's, etcetera; here and get them to the storage space here in SC.
The place is hard to get too and is only open briefly, and I don't have a car and am crippled, remember. If I had help m, I could maybe get things set up so that I could deposit those things sent to me stored at the storage place - I could jyst use helo in making the connection to, and getting things stored at, the SC storage space.
Olease, could someone help me :( ?


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One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.:-(
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!


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09 Dec 2017, 10:42 am

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...There actually is a storage place here that I could possibly arrange leaving stuff at, and someone helping me get the stuff of my brother's, etcetera; here and get them to the storage space here in SC.
The place is hard to get too and is only open briefly, and I don't have a car and am crippled, remember. If I had help m, I could maybe get things set up so that I could deposit those things sent to me stored at the storage place - I could jyst use helo in making the connection to, and getting things stored at, the SC storage space.
Olease, could someone help me :( ?


That sounds like a much more sure thing than hoping someone reading this is going give you their personal information such as their name and home address. That's expecting whole a lot, too much probably, on a forum where virtually everyone wants to stay anonymous.

And again if it were me I would call a few local churches and shelters etc to see if someone local would volunteer to do that. I expect I would get a quicker yes or no answer that way, then waiting for someone on this forum to agree to drive to Santa Cruz for me.

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...Rwgarding my desire to get help with a place for the stuff from my brother - what has anyone suggested I do, and that I " shot down "?


My guess is they are referring to all your other posts about other situations.

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I don't think there are any churches here that offer storage, ceet!only not that I can approach from nowhere :| ...


So you're asking people to go the extra mile for you, but you are not even willing to simply call a few churches to give it a try.



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