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08 May 2018, 3:20 pm

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*shrug* As we finally established in another read, you choose not to believe me because what I do involves gross science. It doesn't change any of the material facts nor truth of the matter. It is what it is. I never WANTED what I learned to lead to this, but it did. I'd much prefer there were a pressure point on the back of my hand that I could squeeze and get the same results. But there isn't & this is where everything led to over 5 years ago and I'll continue doing my thing, because it works, and I'll carry on with my life of work/play/socializing & pursuing my goals. I'll remain an open book about it all regardless of whether you believe me or not. Like I pointed out earlier in this thread, scientific research is catching up to what I shared here on these forums 5 years ago, looking at the intestines as a root cause of ASD, and probiotics as a therapy method. Eventually everything will be explained and it'll no longer be any mystery how what I do works. In the meantime, I'll continue to enjoy the life changing benefits of it.



There's no logical reason for me to disbelieve you. As in you are intentionally making things up or outright lying.

I just know of several better sounding treatments which have many more than just one person's testimonial regarding effectiveness.

As you have said, you don't know anything about any other treatments. Therefore to you, the treatment you developed for yourself, is the only teartment that exists.

You say that you would prefer a treatment that is less arduous and wasn't gross, but you've never bothered to look into other treatments for aspergers, so you do not know if there's a better easier non-gross method or not.

And you don't even know if you have aspergers. You just come to the conclusion that you have aspergers based on personal reaserch.

Do you know of all the other conditions that have similar traits/symptoms of aspergers? Or do you not know anything about those the same as you do not know anything about other aspergers treatments?


I've had no reason to google and see if anyone else has come up with anything that works since I did, because it works.

I do know. It's absurd to question other peoples' diagnosis. Questioning whether I know I'm on the spectrum or not is akin to you telling someone who's face is on fire that they're not a burn victim unless an MD writes it down and hands them a piece of paper. That is how obvious it is. Continuously questioning whether I know my diagnosis or not is an insult to my intelligence, as well as everyone else' who is capable of reading books and knowing these things about themselves.


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08 May 2018, 3:30 pm

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Probably more like 3,000 pages....I've seen single threads which get into the 30s.

Goldfish is not a bad guy. I find that he boasts a little too much at times, though.

I, for one, can't help it that I'm not 6 foot 2; I suppose I could lose a little weight, though.

Sometimes, I boast too much, too. When this happens, the image I portray is damaged somewhat.

I hope Goldfish does research into other methods of treatment-----for all types of autism.

In sum, I don't find him to be a bad guy. I just feel he sometimes doesn't value people who he sees as being "less" than him.


Thank you kraftie, that is correct, I'm not a bad guy.

As for "boasting," I simply share my life for what it is just as others here do - only my life has significantly improved since I joined this forum ~6 years ago. Go read my first ~year's posts worth of misery before I figured out what was causing these symptoms and how to treat them. I share the good things I'm now capable of doing and enjoying thanks to treating my symptoms with the medicine I do. My ability to go and actually enjoy myself at a party with 900 people, or to go to the beach regularly with 2000-10,000 people on it, or, or, or, the list goes on - all of these social things that I could never do before have been made possible by figuring out how to treat AS symptoms. I share my life transparently as others do. My life is WAY better with symptoms managed by medicine vs. not. The difference in my posts about myself and my life in recent times vs. when I first joined here is evidence of the changes I've been able to make thanks to learning and doing what I have. And I certainly haven't kept any secrets about how I've done it, either. All is available for the taking by anyone who chooses to do the hard work required to heal themselves and move forward with their lives.

I've improved upon my own methods each time I've learned something new, but I have zero interest in researching someone's counselling or behavioural therapy methods. These symptoms are caused by a physical ailment in the intestines and are treatable via medicine. No amount of talking or wishful thinking is going to change that. Knowing what I know now, if someone asked me to come meet with them and talk for a couple hours every week because they thought that would improve my social functioning (and other AS symptoms) I'd say thanks but no thanks, medicine works, I'll be at the beach while you do your thing with someone else who you can convince it will help.

I've never said I don't value people who are differently able or less intelligent or less capable etc. Ever. If I thought they were a waste of time and energy I wouldn't do things like raise money for youth homeless shelters or help out homeless kids directly. I don't know where you get the idea from that I don't care about other people. Others have helped me in my life, and I pay it forward helping to raise others up. You seem to have some very serious misconceptions about me.


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08 May 2018, 3:41 pm

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He's definitely an intelligent guy.

Sometimes, I place myself too high on a pedestal----and, as a result, I get knocked down from it.

Not to say that I wish he would get knocked down from any pedestal. But he'd be an even more valued member if he considered his audience. He's valued at least somewhat already.

He has to realize that even though people don't SEEM to be trying----that they are actually trying....really hard.


Like I said earlier, while I know I'm not a doctor and neither are you, this place makes me feel like Ignaz Semmelweis did in 1850 when he told his fellow doctors that hand washing was critical to patient care & mortality. Only here it's more like patient to patient knowledge vs. amongst doctors. But it's very comparable.

Put yourself in my shoes for a moment, kraftie. Use your imagination. Let's pretend for just a moment that 100% of everything I've shared here is the God's honest truth. Now imagine you're me and you've been reading these forums for the last ~5 years. Reading other peoples' struggles and difficulties with socializing, life in general, and at worst, persistent suicidal thoughts. Imagine the frustration I feel reading these things over and over again from people who Are in fact "trying," but continue to put their efforts in the wrong direction despite the fact that I've told them exactly what is causing these ailments & difficulties and exactly how they can treat them in themselves and have similar life changing improvements that will enable them to live happier healthier lives of their own.

It's like the Dutch neuro study that proved that the reaction we have to others making a mistake is the exact same in our brains as when we make the mistake ourselves, and so we're tempted to reach out and correct the mistake out of frustration. I'm watching people make mistakes over and over again despite the fact that I've told them exactly how I've overcome the exact same health & life issues and told them how they can do the same.

I don't want or need a thank you or appreciation for what I've learned, done, and shared. It's not about "I told you so," or "I'm right and you're wrong." I want as many people to benefit from it as possible as soon as possible. That's it that's all. But the general response here is that people think I'm insane, like the entirety of the American Medical Association thought of Ignaz Semmelweis in 1850 & it literally did drive him insane before he died because he knew that patients were dying because other doctors refused to accept what he had learned and shared with them. In my case, I'm not going insane. I am frustrated that people are so closed minded and would rather continue to suffer than accept new information and try something new for themselves, but I don't lose sleep over it. I carry on living my life and doing my thing, having fun, making money, making friends, making progress on all fronts that AS once constrained me from doing - and those are the things I want for others just as soon as they're ready to want them for themselves. That's it, that's all. I don't want fame or fortune for it. I haven't attempted to sell anything (despite what some here like to call me.) I want others to experience the transformation in themselves that I have so that they can go out into the world and do their thing, whatever it may be, without AS f*****g their lives into the ground at every turn.


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08 May 2018, 3:43 pm

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I think I'd like him even more if he would get us all a discount on those Goldfish in the supermarket.....


No such luck. :lol: I don't even eat them. I think I may have eaten abut 2 handfuls in my lifetime.

Should we ever meet I'll buy you a pack, though. Free is way better than discounted! :P


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08 May 2018, 3:48 pm

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He's definitely an intelligent guy.

Sometimes, I place myself too high on a pedestal----and, as a result, I get knocked down from it.

Not to say that I wish he would get knocked down from any pedestal. But he'd be an even more valued member if he considered his audience. He's valued at least somewhat already.

He has to realize that even though people don't SEEM to be trying----that they are actually trying....really hard.


They're just not doing things his way. Which is the only way he knows of.

I myself went from level 3 severe to level 2 moderate. All of which has official observation and diagnosis documentation. And I continue to progress, all without having used the goldfish method.


And just imagine the progress you'd make if you did it as well. *shrug* To each their own. All in due time. Like I said earlier, gut flora balancing & probiotics as treatment for a variety of neurological and mental health issues is an emerging field of medicine and it will be much bigger and more accepted in time. In the meantime, I can only hope that people don't kill themselves out of despair and desperation because they haven't accepted that different forms of medicine can and will in fact treat what ails them. It's sad, but like any treatment for anything, many people suffer and die before it's widespread & commonplace. Such is life, I suppose. At least researchers are making forward progress proving these things and publishing results. Maybe in another 5 years people won't be so resistant to new medical facts. Hell, with the recent discovery of a brand new human organ that's larger than the skin (the interstitium), maybe people will come around to the fact that not everything medical about the human body is known yet and there are in fact new things to learn and different medicines to utilize. *shrug* Time will tell.


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08 May 2018, 5:56 pm

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Do you have an idea about what you want to major in?


Not yet. I want to just finish HS right now, then veg out for a while and then start exploring what my options are.



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08 May 2018, 5:59 pm

Ezra has a form of autism, I believe, which is too complex for any one treatment to be the "end-all."

He has classic/Kanner autism. His autism is more "neurological" than that of most people with Asperger's/HFA/Level One autism. If diet treatments happen to work, it probably wouldn't work too well with him when used alone. Possibly, it might actually harm him.

With people like Ezra, a combination of many treatments, dealing with many parts of the body and mind, must be employed. Occupational Therapy, Applied Behavioral Analysis, others I don't know about were employed with Ezra. Plus a good deal of time and money spent by his parents. A good deal of frustration on the part of all concerned One type of treatment alone wouldn't have been effective with Ezra. He needed extensive intervention, which has worked quite well. Moreover, it could be said that the parents had to be "treated" as well as Ezra.

I do believe some forms of autism have within them some digestive symptoms; others do not, though.

There's usually much more of a neurological component to autism than a digestive component--especially as one gets away from the "Aspergian" type.



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08 May 2018, 6:42 pm

Seems this guy lives in his own little world. From what he says what he knows about autism is based solely on himself and his home-made remedy for self diagnosed autism is based solely on himself. He's not a bad guy but it seems he has significant theory of mind issues so it is impossible to get through to him.

He will likely spend another 5 years spamming trying to get people to accept what he has to say and will never properly understand why they don't.



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08 May 2018, 7:41 pm

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Seems this guy lives in his own little world. From what he says what he knows about autism is based solely on himself and his home-made remedy for self diagnosed autism is based solely on himself. He's not a bad guy but it seems he has significant theory of mind issues so it is impossible to get through to him.

He will likely spend another 5 years spamming trying to get people to accept what he has to say and will never properly understand why they don't.


No. You don’t get it. 6 years ago at the peak of my AS symptoms I was most definitely in my own little autistic world like many others here. Now I live, well, and play in the social world with everyone else.


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08 May 2018, 8:09 pm

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Ezra has a form of autism, I believe, which is too complex for any one treatment to be the "end-all."

He has classic/Kanner autism. His autism is more "neurological" than that of most people with Asperger's/HFA/Level One autism. If diet treatments happen to work, it probably wouldn't work too well with him when used alone. Possibly, it might actually harm him.

With people like Ezra, a combination of many treatments, dealing with many parts of the body and mind, must be employed.


So do you think it would be to our advantage to have more categories of autism, instead of fewer? I've read that many studies giving opposing results aren't taking into account the differences among autistic people. Maybe if we had more categories and they studied treatments on just those people they would have better results. I'm definitely the digestive/immune system type too. My whole family has bad guts.



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08 May 2018, 8:09 pm

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Seems this guy lives in his own little world. From what he says what he knows about autism is based solely on himself and his home-made remedy for self diagnosed autism is based solely on himself. He's not a bad guy but it seems he has significant theory of mind issues so it is impossible to get through to him.

He will likely spend another 5 years spamming trying to get people to accept what he has to say and will never properly understand why they don't.


No. You don’t get it. 6 years ago at the peak of my AS symptoms I was most definitely in my own little autistic world like many others here. Now I live, well, and play in the social world with everyone else.


You, you, you.



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08 May 2018, 8:39 pm

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Seems this guy lives in his own little world. From what he says what he knows about autism is based solely on himself and his home-made remedy for self diagnosed autism is based solely on himself. He's not a bad guy but it seems he has significant theory of mind issues so it is impossible to get through to him.

He will likely spend another 5 years spamming trying to get people to accept what he has to say and will never properly understand why they don't.


No. You don’t get it. 6 years ago at the peak of my AS symptoms I was most definitely in my own little autistic world like many others here. Now I live, well, and play in the social world with everyone else.


You, you, you.


Yes, me. I am who we are talking about.


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08 May 2018, 9:05 pm

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Seems this guy lives in his own little world. From what he says what he knows about autism is based solely on himself and his home-made remedy for self diagnosed autism is based solely on himself. He's not a bad guy but it seems he has significant theory of mind issues so it is impossible to get through to him.

He will likely spend another 5 years spamming trying to get people to accept what he has to say and will never properly understand why they don't.


No. You don’t get it. 6 years ago at the peak of my AS symptoms I was most definitely in my own little autistic world like many others here. Now I live, well, and play in the social world with everyone else.


You, you, you.


Yes, me. I am who we are talking about.



What I am talking about is you not displaying a proper understanding of why no one has ever been interested in trying out your home-made remedy that you have spammed like hell trying to get them to try for years. Nothing that has been said to you along these lines by many people seems to register in any way whatsoever. You don't seem to understand how others think, reason and perceive or why their thoughts, reasoning and perception is different from yours or why their situations and circumstances are different from your own or why what applies to you doesn't apply to them.



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08 May 2018, 9:19 pm

Autism is a spectrum, with many different symptom sets found in many different people.

You can have an autistic person who is a genius, is very athletic, and has learned to relate very well to people through using his/her cognition.

Then you have the autistic person who is profoundly affected, has to wear a helmet, has no functional speech, has seizures, self-harms, and might even be confined to a wheelchair.

Of course, most are somewhere in between. One cannot generalize about an autistic person.



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08 May 2018, 9:44 pm

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Autism is a spectrum, with many different symptom sets found in many different people.

You can have an autistic person who is a genius, is very athletic, and has learned to relate very well to people through using his/her cognition.

Then you have the autistic person who is profoundly affected, has to wear a helmet, has no functional speech, has seizures, self-harms, and might even be confined to a wheelchair.

Of course, most are somewhere in between. One cannot generalize about an autistic person.


If you've met one autistic person, you've met one autistic person. We all have our own personal ways of dealing with our own personal situations. The occupational therapy I receive is tailor made for me. It's not a particular formula that is applied to others. My therapist doesn't try using what works with me on others. Others are treated on a case by case basis.

I'm sure you know as well as I do that there have been others here who have "rags to riches" stories. How they became more vocationally, socially and financially successful. There's nothing particularly unique about that experience. Fnord was one of those. Coincidentally he was also widely disliked.



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09 May 2018, 1:56 am

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Ezra has a form of autism, I believe, which is too complex for any one treatment to be the "end-all."

He has classic/Kanner autism. His autism is more "neurological" than that of most people with Asperger's/HFA/Level One autism. If diet treatments happen to work, it probably wouldn't work too well with him when used alone. Possibly, it might actually harm him.

With people like Ezra, a combination of many treatments, dealing with many parts of the body and mind, must be employed.


So do you think it would be to our advantage to have more categories of autism, instead of fewer? I've read that many studies giving opposing results aren't taking into account the differences among autistic people. Maybe if we had more categories and they studied treatments on just those people they would have better results. I'm definitely the digestive/immune system type too. My whole family has bad guts.


I think people should be treated individually on a case by case basis. I myself don't have any digestive/immune system problems.