Want info on possible cures for autism/AS?

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I see both sides... I see the promise, and I see the commitment and the basic honor of many people involved in the search...

And I see the stupidity at the highest levels of government, and worse, the deliberate misuse of governmental powers. What can be used to heal, can be used to destroy. THAT is the fear. If we don't act, we could be consigning millions... possibly billions over the next 100 years to unnecessary death and disease. If we do act we could be placing the single greatest weapon in the history of our species into the hands of madmen.

So what do you do?

But nature isn't perfect! Evolution is slow and gradual, there are parts of our body that are unused, leftovers from a previous stage. One neuroscientist has even scoffed at the notion that our brain is "elegant" in construct, considering it instead a "kludge," a functional mishmash of different pieces.

I'm not trying to change your mind, I respect your opinion. I just think it's neat.

This reminds me of something I read awhile ago. I read that some genetic disorders can be greatly reduced with nutrition. I think it's done in animals but not in humans because it would eliminate too many profitable diseases. The only example I remember is taking folic acid during pregnancy greatly reduces the chance of spina bifida. Anyone know if it's true that taking nutrients during pregnancy reduces genetic disorders?

You've got chart after chart after chart to support your position on vaccines and you don't have that material?

Yes taking prenatal vitamins including folate reduces birth defects, such as spina bifida. And breastfeeding is very very VERY good for the baby. Not bad for the Dad either....

Anyone knowledgeable in biology knows that is a load of crap. life is full of Rude Goldberg machines that are only there because living creatures were evolved, not engineered. living things can be greatly improved with good engineering.

If Lyme disease is diagnosed, it takes out half that criteria because another cause has been proven - which PREVENTS an AS diagnosis. As I said - it's one or the other, and they have nothing to do with each other.



No, it caused a lazy diagnosis by a quack. THAT is fact, and if anyone hates being hit with facts it's you. You haven't hit me with one fact yet.



That's wrong. If you are diagnosed with Lyme disease, the neurological symptoms take precedence. The behaviour issues are linked automatically to the Lyme Disease - and Autism has absolutely nothing to do with it. A doctor who DX's both is ignoring the effects of Lyme disease, and therefore is not doing their job properly. Autism is a primary condition, not a secondary one (which is how you are treating it in that scenario).

The Autistic Spectrum is genetic at it's base. Medical fact - and there's no way you can argue around that. Your reliance on quackery and propoganda is frankly disturbing.



You won't get it as long as you treat the Spectrum as a bad thing. Start treating it as a good thing instead, and demand that those around you adjust. You have a basic human right to do that. If you don't then you only have one person to blame for your problems - you.

And to finish, I agree with Odin - nature is an unending process of evolution. And there is no such thing as perfection, especially in nature. If there was there would be no such things as hurricanes, tornadoes, monsoons, erupting volcanoes, cyclones and bushfires (the ones started naturally I mean).

See, but I think evolution is beautiful. Really beautiful. And yes, I do know biology. So that's your opinion, whereas my opinion is different. We aren't God, we should stop messing around with it... again, humans looking at the short rather than long-term consequences.



And yes Zendell, nutrition can play a HUGE role in reducing the effects of so many different diseases. That's half our problem; people these days have generally strayed so far from our natural diet we were designed to eat that they don't get the right nutrients in the right proportions, then when something goes wrong want a band-aid pill to fix it rather than considering that perhaps if they ate the right foods instead of all this processed rubbish most people primarily eat they could start healing the root cause of things...

you can roll with saying nature is perfect... but then we have really modified nature for a subset of ourselves, havent we? thus making it harder for others.

in no way implying there is motive in nature... that things were designed... but the full variety is a perfectly natural thing

We can't. We change the course of evolution just by having learned behaviours, by structuring our society in certain ways. Humans exert environmental pressures on their own species, and many others too obviously, with every social engineering scheme, with every structure that favours the successful reproduction of one group over another, with wars, and slum clearance, with treatment for that phenylalanine illness diagnosed at birth, with every plane flight across oceans, with every invention.

To stop messing with evolution we would have had to remain monkeys.

I'm talking about evolution on a biological level... messing with DNA and genes and engineering them to our will.

sadly, we can only deduce how things work by breaking them.

ALL evolution occurs on a biological level. If there is a God, perhaps he intended for us to one day alter genes by endowing us with the intelligence to do so.

Humans have been "playing God" since our species began. We use culture and technology to modify our environment to make it habitable. Many primitive societies used fire to make grassland areas more biologically productive and thus have more large mammals to hunt. In pre-Columbian Amazonia there were societies that actively engineered the soil with a kind of artificial soil called terra preta.

I have no use for you bioconservatives and your superstitions about how "playing God" is a bad thing. You are entitled to your own opinions but you are not entitled to your own facts.

I'm getting the feeling LeKiwi doesn't really understand biology.

I'm getting the feeling Odin is making false statements about people he doesn't know once again.

I voted yes... anyone who wouldn't want info seems to me to be somewhat close-minded.

If a lot of people objected to the info, links could be used instead. But we're a large community now - 15,756 different people - and probably a lot of them would be interested in this info...

...just my opinion, for whatever it's worth... I can't even see a problem. I assume Alex has a disclaimer somewhere in the fine print... after all, his father is a lawyer