Militant, much?

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I read back on this thread:



1. It seems to me that "the hatred coming from the supposed anti-haters" applies to you.

2. By rebumping this thread and using the inflammatory, insulting and demeaning language you use, you are an antagonist.

3. You desperately want and need a cure. I hope you find one to relieve yourself of this dreadful condition.

Edited to add: Never mind. I'm out of this thread. I think the words used above are inflammatory and I will get upset.

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Now to answer to this.

1.Asperger syndrome is power given by god? Do you know if the ones who made these statements were diagnosed? Maybe they weren't being serious and were just saying that as it feels better than feeling bad? Where did you see this?

2. Not sure about this one (shrugs) It's not just an aspie trait. Whoever thinks that has it wrong.

3. NT's view of us as inferior beings? In my own life experience, I've had people claim they pitied me for not being able to do things as easy or in a timely manner physically. Some were nice about, others weren't. I don't think I really understand who is deemed NT. I know it's supposed to mean anyone that isn't autistic but I wouldn't think other psychiatric labels to be normal or they wouldn't be labelling it.

4. NT's are going to attempt genocide on us. Well not sure if those people are normal but have you not been paying attention? What does near future prenatal screening for autism + negative media images of children with autism mean to you? Oh it's nothing really...yeah right. You may be right about it not being NT but yes it's out in the open that the cure is really aimed at aborting children with autism. Go ahead and look it up for yourself. Do you have autism?

5. Aspies are closer to God? That is silly. If we were closer to God, we wouldn't be on earth right now.

6. Aspies are a more evolved race? Aspies aren't a race. Whoever said that is once again silly.

7. Aspies saving the world against new world order? I hope so. It would take more than just auties though to fight these corrupt jerks.

8. NT's are evil, that is the vibe you are getting. Well, if you have been picked on, pushed around by people who are thought of as normal wouldn't you want to go somewhere to vent? Sorry but people who deal with this and don't have a place to go should be able to come here and vent if needed. It's not like aspies can vent to the nearest "NT" can they? So it seems to me that you most likely aren't autistic and just want to come here to dictate what auties are allowed to say.

I've made my mind up, perhaps you should go away?

9. A cure will be made mandatory? Let's say that cure comes from a shot or other therapy, there are plenty of ways to impose penalties if you don't obey. Gee do you not look around at how others are conditioned to do things but under the guise of it being voluntary? Scare tactics to have pregnant women push in the favor of aborting if tests show child will be autistic. Look at how many down syndrome unborn children are aborted. Do you know the percentage?

My opinion has remained the same as on, I believe, page 9. At least 2 of the points are very much correct and not nonsense.




Short off topic;

There's no real answer to that, so it's a good question. There are (neuro)biological differences in some of the groups, but they're as unclear in their importance and in their role as the causes and factors of autism are.

Psychopathic traits, for example, can be genetically inherited from an ancestor. There are also twin studies concerning PDs and that the likelihood of a twin also having traits of a certain pd is vastly higher when the other twin has that pd. In bpd as in depression, neurotransmitters work differently than in people who don't have these disorders. The amygdala for example is suspected to be involved in various disorders such as bipolar, pds, anxiety and also with autism.

But, as I said above, these all are just clues but no real explanations. Exaggerated it's like saying 'oh, you have that disorder and I see your brain is clearly abnormal here and there and it might be related'.

I feel so ignorant compared to the depth of knowledge some people have on this site... I'm going to shut up now. I think there are genetic issues but who is normal and who is not? Thanks for your answer.

"I have no clue what an NT is or what an AS is and will avoid these threads like a plague"
-- ephemerella 2008

I don't think I understand that. If you're not interested in a certain topic as this about possible biological evidence in other disorders than ASD, why would you or anyone who also isn't interested in that topic, know a lot about it?

And if one doesn't know something, how'd they gain that knowledge without asking? From what you wrote so far, you know a lot about certain language disorders in autism, which is something not everybody has looked into either. So people would ask you too, so you can tell.

Quoted since it says more about your response than I ever could.

And ephemerella, quite frankly I've seen enough of your responses to threads like these to know there's no point trying. I do suggest you read more carefully in the future though before jumping to assumptions.

I just looked at your profile. So you are 14 going to college diagnosed with aspergers. If I was wrong about your diagnosis, I apologize other than that, I still think people have every right to vent their frustrations here at least considering there aren't very many other places to go.

Anyone who opens a subject with a salvo like "haters hating" seems to me to be baiting. I know enough I should check out now.

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When he gets older he'll stop being such an NT-worshipper and AS-belittler. If he's smart he'll start seeing thru their shiny surfaces soon enough and realize that AS don't have worse presentation because we are stupid and invalid.

Edited to add: He's trolling. Opens with inflammatory, insulting verbiage ("haters ... hating") and then responds with condescending insults.

I agree with you.

Again ephemerella, you should seriously try reading a little more carefully.

I am not trying to ''belittle'' AS or ''worship'' NT's.

But ''venting'' is no excuse to go on about one's absolute superiority to another group.

Neither am I absolutely desperate to get cured. But yes, I would just take one.

Anyway, I don't see why I bother trying. You're already so confined to your own world that everyone who disagree's with you is a troll. Yes, because I don't happen to enjoy AS, because I don't happen to hate several billions of people because they don't have it, because I don't see myself as this uber-logical being with superpowers because of it, I am a troll.

If that's being a troll, then I'm a troll.

For the record, I thought you were ''out of this thread'' and ''avoid these threads like the plague''.

I'm with you on that bit.

In some way the writer of this topic is right, so far that I agree aspies aren't ''closer to God'', and the other things like that. To be entirely honest: I've never read these assumptions on WP. Maybe they're written on the religion&philosophy froum, but I never see it. If this is true anyway (I mean what you wrote, that AS say that) I agree that it is absolute nonsense. I'm atheist, but even if I were religious, I wouldn' say this anyway.

Aspies being more logical/rational: I think it's true. When I look around in NT world, I see a lot, alot of emotions. People normally aren't rational, I think AS people are more rational. That's what made life more difficult to me: The fact I'm too rational to act well in social situations.

In some way AS can be a gift. Of course it doesn't guarantee a high intelligence, though many AS haveit. I do.

I agree with you. I see all these condescending, belittling, rants against deluded, AS-supremicists, but I haven't seen any of the "NT-bashing" or deluded claims of AS-supremicists.

I have asked repeated (in another thread) for concrete examples from real posts, of these NT-bashing, AS-supremacy "militants" who are oppressing the NTs. Haven't seen anything yet.

To me, the accusers seem like people who don't like having AS or who resent the traits, taking opportunities to dump on and belittle AS. They want an opportunity to attack and belittle AS, so they set up a "straw man" argument and then attack and criticize.

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About this anti-NT thing:

A lot of aspies are treated really, really disasterous by NT's, whether you like it or not. My AS friend was severely bullied for many years, so was I. This triggers a lot of antipathic feelings towards NT's, even though they may not be all guilty to bullying in the past. When I look around in my school, I see a lot of NT behavior I disapprove. They bully and do many irrational things, sucked up in group behavior. I don't see many nice NT's. YES I KNOW SOME NICE NT'S. Don't suggest I say ''All NT's are very nasty people'', or ''NT's are just as worthy as the thing I flush down the toilet'', or anything. Don't put words in my mouth.

I think it is untrue all NT's are bad people or anything. I do think many aspies were bullied and abused by NT's in the past or in the present, that makes them dislike them.